1 People do not make social connections in Dungeons or in open world the way they did in 2019 And even gilled recruitment Is primarily done through discord And even those that do do requirement through the lfg Has nothing to do with dungeons 9 Times out of 10.
2 It’s not phase 1 wrath You don’t have the same amount of people leveling Or doing dungeons there’s not that Amends amount of people doing that any more So I would ask how can you be social if rdf Does indeed kill that if you don’t have people to socialize with ?
3 if you do hit 80 with gs,Logs,Parsus with no rdf Makes it much harder to gear up Because you have less people end People are more picky Because by default everyone has to travel to the dungeon they want to get that done as fast as possible and Making it a moral likely that they’ll quit And less likely they’ll get into a pug raid and Guild for the same reasons.
4 if I have a friend Or someone else is coming but now or in the Future Getting to level 80 rdf yes as a 80 i can boot them To a degree but to pay on the scenario it may actually be slower or im not on wen They’re on with rdf They’re more likely to hit eighty and more likely to be able to play with me and the friends I have at 80 or Guild.
This is why The argument that rdf Kills the social aspect is silly.
I have numerous 80s and I have never witnessed this famous “social experience” while doing heroics. The majority of the social interations I had can be reduced to “inv”, “summon”, “click orb”, “buff”, “skip”, “gg” and “port pls”.
The only times I have felt any meaningful interactions with random strangers was, funny enough, during raids while in discord.
So I’ll say it again: I want RDF to be implemented in WotLK classic like it was in OG. It was fun to queue for a quick dungeon and completely destroy the instance.
Oh I know Fun fact I am leveling a paladin on benediction right now And I could literally count on my hands the amount of people I have seen From 1-49 Two warlocks 1 Shaman 1 Warrior 1 Palatin 1 Druid.
You look at the benefits of RDF without looking at the cons that happened with RDF and that was gatekeeping. When 3 friends are grouping together and doing BS stuff by over pulling and then blame the healer for deaths and remove that healer that ruins the social aspect of RDF because that healer probably wont que again.
What was the biggest need during the history of RDF in wow?Healers and Tanks. Who are the first to be blamed for wipes during dungeons healer and tanks.
The above is probably the data blizzard used to make the decision to not put rdf in right away. Perhaps if they implement they will have a lock feature that doesnt allow players to remove other players from the group and not allow players to quit the group until the end of the dungeon because that was the other issue with RDF tanks or healers getting that 1 item and then leaving the group.
Here’s the thing What softs people from doing that now ? Everything you’ve just mentioned We’ll happen with or without rdf.
Or are you going to try to argue that well because they’re on The same server they can at least tell people okay If this was 2008 You may have a point but it’s not.
If people were ninja looting stuff back in 2019 Classic and in tbc And what normally happens is this people talk about on chat? Maybe I’ll get a conversation and then it just stops.
Depending on what it is But from a Heroic in wrath I mean all the things you’ve listed can happen just as easily and the current group system now.
So your points really not valid Although I do agree with you 4 People voting to kick And giving an extra incentive to a tank or healer to stay in the group Wouldn’t be a bad thing but they kind of already have that with the bag.
Either way I would say rdf Positive aspects out way the bad.
Blizzard doesn’t play its own game lmao. Blizzard just killed their best expansion with no RDF. Probably I’m still playing for now because of guild friends. But I’m definitely not paying for their other products anymore. And after this expansion im done with Blizzard.
So the same thing happening now with H+ groups requiring what amounts to Ulduar equipment instead of, you know, people who could actually USE the equipment drops?
Because /4 group spamming is socialization. Because people quitting the game due to a broken progression path is socialization. Because a shrinking playerbase is what keeps an MMO alive in the first place.
I’m amazed you didn’t damage your colon from shoving those horns into your stomach from the rear end first.
i can guarantee that healer would just think “wow those guys are jerks, luckily i don’t have to see them again” and queue up and get an immediate group
historically it’s been the hunter blamed first, since there’s no fancy spell flung at mobs to denote someone else pulling extra.
also, it’s generally been the tanks and healers that get all power hungry and threaten to kick “bad” dps, or even just straight up throwing a tantrum cause they got a dungeon they didn’t want so they’d go afk until they got kicked so they could get a new group immediately. that’s the entire reason blizzard put in the leaver debuff even when you got kicked from the group.
Thats not the case. I tanked healed and DPSed in RDF and was blamed a handful of tumes and some being kicked. The vast majority of interactions within the RDF were positive because people just want to get the dungeon done and get their badges.
It might have been you if this was happening to you on a regular basis. Its not really a con to the point of not introducing RDF.
To be fair, there was a build in TBC for Fury that tanked; had basically zero defense and needed massive healing to stay alive, but held aggro EXTREMELY well.
I dont understand how RDF is anti-social or anti-mmo in the first place. I know what person is a troll (obviously) but even if we look at the statement itself… How? Playing with others is both social and part of an mmo.
Schools must be really poor if this is the education being put towards todays youth.
Really, its 50/50 at this point compared to the situation now without rdf. Besides, the talk was about the game or the dungeon/bosses itself mostly. Everything is known now or complete guides everywhere since its 12y old. But some people here want to make the game harder than it is and act like its their first time playing the game, just to hope they will re experience their nostalgie
