How poor do you have to be to want dual spec?

No dual spec.

It’s bad for the game and contributes to the same fundamental mentality that retail followed to where it currently is (read: a disaster).

Thankfully Blizzard seems to agree.

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More dps means the boss dies faster and does less mechanics, making the boss easier.

Why do you think world buff meta was a thing?

I don’t think you understand. You used Shade of Aran as an example. What do you think happens when this Prot Warrior goes Fury?

The raid DPS goes down. Fury would have spent 20% of that fight sundering. Prot Warrior dual wielding in DPS gear automatically sunders with Devastate. This idea that tanks can’t do good damage is bologna. Prot Warriors do more DPS than 1/3rd of the DPS specs in this game.

The meta doesn’t control me. Does it control you?

Why are you advertising private servers when they are illegal? That seems pretty shady.

The meta has a far reaching hand and even semi hard-core guilds will respect it.

As for “advertising” private servers, it’s more that I would just rather have tbcc stay as close to tbc as possible and if people are not happy with that, there are other games that will fit their tastes and they should focus on playing those games, instead of distorting tbcc even more when we both know they don’t enjoy playing it to begin with and will leave shortly after their desired change is made because they already don’t like tbcc.

How is stating the truth witty and clever?

Sorry, but it sounds like you’re trying to enforce some kind of standard on me and others with this. But you don’t control me and neither does the meta. And don’t advertise to me for illegal servers, please. Because they are illegal. Why would anyone think that’s a good idea?

I don’t know, why would anyone think changing a remake of a game to go directly against the design goals of the origional game is a good idea?

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As if there is actual debate on the forums. It’s just a bunch of screaming autists.

I think Blizzard should introduce a paid dual specialization service in the WoW in-game Shop.
$20 per character sounds reasonable.

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If I pour a bucket of water on a raging forest fire I helped.

Yet it was still for nothing in the grand scheme.

You’re going off the most technical definition of help, which in that regard, if all you care about is making some sort of “positive” change, in any capacity, no matter how small, then you should also support:

1: Cross realm servers
2: LFD
3: LFR
4: Not dual spec, but retail’s current talent system
5: No classes whatsoever, instead taking a note from FFXIV where any class can do anything.
6: Make “tanks” as dps oriented, and make “dps” more tank oriented to streamline the process, and all healers to do both, as well as making the other two be healers as well.
7: Give every player their choice of 1 free 70 “tank” based “class”.
8: Provide incentives for instances past current badge gear, since all this is specifically for instances anyways, which is content that WILL be surpassed.
9: Instant teleportation to instance.
10: No reputation for heroics
11: Level scaling to allow “tanks” of any level to do any instance with no impunity.

I could go on and on about any number of changes that can be implemented to “help” the tank issue, and if you don’t support every single one of them, then you’re just a liar who doesn’t care about the tank issue, but instead wants dual spec purely for QOL.

But I expect you to agree and want every single one of these changes, since your core argument revolves around “helping” the tank issue, and every single one of those changes I mentioned would “help” the tank issue.

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Well some of those would be fine like dual spec, some would actually have significant impact unlike dual spec.

Weird how it’s not as simple as all or nothing.

As for helping the tank and healer issue, that is only one reason for dual spec.

Cool, so would you agree and advocate for every single one of those changes then?

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I am a healer, but i have done enough Kara/Mag/Grull to where i can tank heroic, but i am just not going to throw that gold out the window specking back and forth… so…

Let me ask you a question, how does duel spec hurt TBC?

Don’t. Healers are harder to find than Tanks half the time. Stay heals ;p

Dual spec hurts TBC by making the choice of spec less impactful. It means players are less likely to put effort into finding players to fill specific niches and thus will meet less people when trying to form groups. It changes the way raid composition will happen (potentially).

It makes the content cycle shorter by giving people more efficient ways to farm and be self sufficient. Therefore an already small content expansion will seem even smaller and shorter.

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That’s a very compelling argument for why it’s bad.

What people are saying is that not having dual spec is worse for the game.

It’s just a matter of perspectives, and whether it is a case of ‘you think you do, but you don’t’ or ‘you think you do, and yes you do’.

I am in favour of a dual spec that is somewhat exactly midway between the present system (too onerous) and the one click system (too whimsical).

What about all the people that would have met me if I started tanking things because it was free for me?

Your logic makes zero sense here, if more people had more options to fill different rolls in groups… there is only more opportunity to meet more people…

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