You are speculating as well. You have no proof the dark trolls wouldnt have fought as fircely as any other troll.
I would also point out the night elves had one final trick up their sleaves. The night warrior. If the night warrior can kill and Old God, think what it can do to the trolls?
100 mages beating a broken and beaten clan is not the same as the Kaldorei beating the Trolls, with no Well, at their height of their Empire.
But you know that. But like I said you just HAD TO prove my point.
When the alliance does it Itâs good, itâs glorious and itâs Righteous. Because you just canât resist justifying every atrocity the alliance has ever committed
And again this is such a silly argument. The Kaldorei only exist because of the Well. And if you are playing âwell yeah I could have won if you didnt bring a tankâ then my response is âyou would only win because it would be 100 guys against 1 guyâ.
Again, maybe if the Horde/troll stopped starting crap they would be good and glorious and righteous too.
But like I said you just HAD TO prove my point.
When the alliance does it Itâs good, itâs glorious and itâs Righteous.
Because you just canât resist justifying every atrocity the alliance has ever committed
Pointing out the double standards was my point
Again, Alliance atrocities can normally trace themselves back to the Horde. Even Garithosâ racism traces back to the fact the Horde burned down his home and slaughter his family.
Maybe the Horde needs to own up to the fact they were crappy and do more then betray their leaders the moment said leader turns out to not care about them. Because apperently a good enough chunk of Horde is always willing to follow a Garrosh or a Sylvanas.
Continue proving my point my guy. You just canât help yourself
And defending a racist like Garithos is gross. But heâs alliance. So of course youâll defend and justify it
Your point requires you to twist the Horde into victims when they were always the victimizers of the story who keep failing to actually atone for their mistakes.
No it doesnt because that wasnât the point I was making
I WAS POINTING OUT THE DOUBLE STANDARD SOME YâALL USE.
But of course, that went over your head in your eagerness to prove my comment right that some alliance players will justify everything when itâs your faction doing it
Except its not a double standard. Its more like the Horde never reaches the standard of what makes a war âjustifiedâ. Ie, you have to be in imminent danger to start a war. Not just a âoh they someday will kill usâ or âi want their shiny lootâ.
Youâre proving my point and you still fail to realize it
The irony is completely lost on you it seems
No, I recognize you made a point, but I also recognize its nonsensical so I think people should ignore it.
Not my point again
Again, you point is their is a double standard when in fact it is just the Horde keeps failing the standard set.
Again, not my point
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Sovereign state. Would Ashenvale actually qualify as its own Sovereign state? Itâs just a held territory by a state.
Itâs amusing that people will justify kaldorei lands as being sacred. But mention the trolls consider the land they own/owned to be sacred?
Certain people here will immediately justify why the trolls donât matter, even though the trolls were here first and have more of a right to the land than any other race
I donât like this verbiage because it creates division. But there are people who want to appropriate land disputes for victimization. The Kaldorei empire was destroyed during the Sundering. The Kaldorei do have a right to reclaim ancestral lands they believe to be theirs, and Ashenvale is an extension of Mount Hyjal the ancestral home of the Night Elves. They have a right to protect their sacred lands from deforestation.
The Hordeâs deforestation, while itâs justified as the Horde is lacking in natural resources, and the need to survive, they still are doing so unethically by invasion and expansion. They also employ the Venture Co. Thereâs a lot of anti-enviromentalism within the Horde. I always held the opinion that the Silverwing Sentinels were the heroes of Warsong Gulch. (Actually, I canât think of a pvp scenario where the Alliance are not presented as the heroes-which could be considered Alliance bias)
But the expansion of the Alliance into troll lands is also something that needs to be addressed. Seperately and not as a whataboutism. Sorry, I also main a Night Elf.
No, it isnât.
Azshara is stated to have been afraid to go anywhere near Mount Hyjal because of the divinity that there resided.
Ashenvale was occupied as nelves avoided Hyjal.
And youâll notice that after the War of the Ancients, they resolved that their prior society was awful and didnât repeat the same mistakes, to the point of allowing trolls from the Eastern Kingdoms to seek refuge in Darkshore so long as they didnât screw with the local area they as jungle trolls were never a natural part of.
Youâre strawmaning hypocrisy where there is none. Youâre legit willing to ignore actual Kaldorei lore to push the version of Kaldorei you want to be real for your argument lmao.
He was talking about the region. Not the person. Azshara is a zone north of Orgrimmar, Mr.Orc Main.
I think some people misunderstand the mindset the Kaldorei have, or intentionally misinterpret it to push their own arguments. The mainstream culture of the Night Elves has generally shown no interest in reclaiming the lands of the Kaldorei Empire. They seem to actually despise almost everything about that old civilization. The only times weâve seen them resettle ruins in any capacity, they are outposts. Forestâs Run is an outpost co-opted by the Draenei, and Dreamerâs Rest is just a Cenarion spot near a significant dream portal. Feathermoon Stronghold is just that- a stronghold. From what we can tell, places outside the sphere of northern Kalimdor are not of interest to them outside of maintaining a military presence to keep an eye on things. You actually could probably blame that on the Dragon Aspects.
âTo the night elves, who have lost their hopes, I give forth the ability to Dream again. To Dream, to Imagine, for in that is the best hope of rebuilding, of recovering, of growing⌠And to those who follow the path of one held special by me - and mine - I grant him and the other druids to come the path into the Emerald Dream, where, even in their deepest sleep, they may cross the world, learn from it, and draw upon its own strength⌠the better to guide Kalimdorâs health and safety throughout the future.â - Yseraâs blessing upon Nordrassil at the end of the War of the Ancients and the Great Sundering of Azeroth."
While I am sure they would realistically probably do so anyways just for their own security and the security of the spirits living there, especially since most of the forces trying to shape Kalimdor are foreign powers (Horde, the Ogres, etc) that simply donât have a good track records of respecting whatâs already there, you can imagine how being entrusted with the future of the continent by beings empowered by the shapers of the planet would change the perspective of a culture already in the process of destroying itâs imperial traditions and creating a new way of life from the foundations. While tons of azeroth could be argued to be their âancestralâ lands, very few modern Kaldorei would invoke it for the imperial ancestral claims, because they pretty blatantly donât care to have the Empire again. Their claims to their current lands arenât derived from ownership- they are the people who are entrusted to defend it. Their methods of harvesting resources to defend it and build cities or towns donât harm nature.