Huh? when did the alliance do that, If we are talking a handful of humans that left the alliance and joined the cult sure. Though they weren’t jania’s people nor were they still alliance.
Pretty sure Grom was still considered Horde when he was killing cenarius or killing the elves.
Both the Centaur and the Quilboar assaulted the Horde first, the orcs, trolls, and tauren were all acting in self-defense.
bold claim cotton where is your proof?
Pretty sure Chronicles states the horde decided to take the quillboars home and build orgrimmar once they had mostly driven them off
Sure the Centaur were fighting the Tauren but the Tauren were nomads and were wandering what was centaur territory.
Conflict raged between two of Kalimdor’s native races: the tauren
and the centaur. Though both were rugged and mighty, they were
different in almost every other way. The tauren were enormous
bovine creatures, but their imposing size belied a gentle spirit. They
had deep ties to nature through their deity, whom they called the
Earth Mother. The tauren also communed with the world’s elements
through their long tradition of shamanism.
The centaur viewed these mystical pursuits as weak. They were a
brutal, warlike people who hunted the tauren for sport. With
powerful equine lower bodies and humanoid torsos, the centaur were
well suited to warfare on Kalimdor’s open plains.
For generations, the tauren had weathered intermittent attacks
from the centaur. The battles took a heavy toll on both sides. Though
the tauren were kindhearted, they did not shy away from combat.
They made the centaur pay for every unprovoked attack.
Yet they had no love for war. Whenever the centaur appeared, the
tauren opted to find a new place to call home rather than throw their
lives away. They lived in a constant state of upheaval, and they never
stayed in one place for long. A year of peace was always followed by
another of war. The tauren came to accept this great cycle of conflict
as inescapable. It was the only life they knew, but that was about to
change.
Thrall became fast friends with the tauren’s wise leader, High
Chieftain Cairne Bloodhoof. The warchief admired that many tauren
practiced shamanism and respected the land. The tauren had noble
p p
hearts and yearned for a better future, but they were constantly
drawn into bloody conflict. Thrall would not ignore the injustice he
was witnessing. His Horde stood as a beacon of hope for races just like
the tauren: the misunderstood, the oppressed, and the forgotten. And
his Horde would fight to protect those in need.
In a land of dust and cracked earth called the Barrens, the Horde
stood shoulder to shoulder with the tauren in battle. Their combined
might crashed down on the centaur warbands like a hammer and
scattered them to the wind.
The defeat shocked the centaur and sent them limping out of the
Barrens in disgrace. They would never again see the tauren as easy
prey.
For the first time in memory, the tauren saw the promise of a new
future. The centaur would always be a threat, but not as much as they
had once been. The tauren’s nomadic existence was over. At last, they
had broken the cycle of conflict.
Chronicles does not state, even imply that the tauren were wandering near Centaur territory; and even if they were, is that really justification to see them dead? And as for the quilboar, after typing in ‘quilboar’ in the PDF of the Chronicles lll book I possess, it also doesn’t say anything regarding the Horde just simply taking their homes unprovoked. This, however, is from WOWPEDIA.
The quilboar would eventually settle within the Barrens and wage war against the other races living within the region, like the tauren. This way of life would move forward without incident until the beginning of the Third War. Under the guidance of a mysterious prophet, the Horde left Lordaeron for Kalimdor.[11] Soon after landing on Kalimdor the Horde would quickly befriend the tauren and make enemies of the quilboar who attacked them on sight.[12] Generally treating the quilboar as a nuisance, the Horde fought them when provoked but striking against the quilboar was not a top priority. However, circumstances did force Rexxar and his companions to seemingly wipe out a tribe in the Beast Den some time after the Battle of Mount Hyjal.[13]
Before the orcs came, the quilboar were more common in the land that would become Durotar.[14]
Nothing there proves anything I stated as incorrect. The Horde teamed up with the Tauren and pushed the centaur out of the barrens.
The Horde pushed the Quillboar out of durotar and they ended up settling in the barrens.
Just because the Tauren were more peaceful doesn’t mean the horde were right to slaughter the inhabitants of kalimdor for their lands. The horde and just violent colonisers that took land from the natives.
Just because the Tauren were more peaceful doesn’t mean the horde were right to slaughter the inhabitants of Kalimdor for their lands. The horde and just violent colonizers that took land from the natives.
They weren’t just simply slaughtering them, they were fighting in self-defense. What do you think the orcs should have done, drop their axes and let the Quilboar simply kill them?
Also
colonizers
LMAO
They could havetaken the tauren into their protection and then setup shop on a part of Kalimdor that was uninhabited like Ungoro. But hey the Horde are all about that taking from others rather than actually working for anything.
its just the Hordes MO to never try to resolve things peacefully instead it is either their way or violence.
Claiming land is only okay when the Alliance does it.
You mean the group of people who have had to literally carve themselves a path in history - of which, all within their (literal) Horde have only known how to do the same - are going to approach encroaching enemies with violence?
No way.
Violence IS an answer. It’s a language everybody speaks, especially invasive, primitive species like the Quilboar… not to mention, of which, whom have attacked the Horde on sight upon their arrival.
When the chips are down, will you try to speak to a people who would sooner reply with blood, or will you do what you must in order to live another day?
No doubt, violence is an answer but then lets not pretend like the horde are some benevolent neighbours to the other races of Kalimdor and they have earned a place. They should probably also stop playing the victim when their homes are threatened by outside forces.
If your only solution to problems is violence, then you shouldn’t be surprised when that is however people respond in kind.
They are also the Invasive species not the other way around. Orc’s have literally come from another world they are so invasive.
I feel like this is what happens when the game drops the ball at making the horde at all have sympathetic PoVs throughout the years in WoW.
It doesn’t matter where the orcs sailed to; the game was always going to provide some conflict for them upon landing. And while I know Primordic was the first one to bring up the invasive species argument, labeling the orcs as such may as well be a dead-end to the topic because then the story of “scattered and lost people trying to find a new place in the world” becomes “reach impossible standards or die”.
A bunch of giant creatures armed to the teeth on ships land on your shores, which are already filled with resource scarcity driven conflicts for basic living supplies.
Well, thats what happens when they were never written to be natives of the world even in wc3 lol.
Then it is solidly your opinion that whole races can suffer and die, rather than allotting them the necessary land and resources to survive.
In case I’m being too subtle, you’re the bad guy here.
But when the Kaldorei slaughtered their way across ancient Kalimdor and slaughtered the trolls, that was okay
Infact, when alliance does something similiar it’s Good, Glorious and for their God King, Anduin
Horde does it? It’s the worst thing to happen ever.
You mean the trolls that were already slaughtering each other? If anything Chronicles was fairly specific that the night elves, (which were also trolls decendants remember?) Actually initially did not care for the squabbles of their fellow trolls.
Also, the trolls were apperently always hostile to them but would also be easily dispatched. Maybe the trolls shouldnt have been aggressive?
Anduin of all people was always fighting a DEFENSIVE WAR. Unlike the Horde who kept attacking others for conquest and resources, the main reason the Alliance kept fight was because the Horde kept threatening its very existance.
Take away the Well of Eternity and the Kaldorei are just a minor footnote in the Troll Empire. The Kaldorei were nothing without their powerups
Pointing out the hypocrisy of alliance players my guy. Point still stands. When the aliens known as the humans, dwarves, Kaldorei, carved out their territories from the natives, it was Good. Glorious and full of Righteous Punishment for the natives who dared to fight back
Other troll tribes were larger them then. Take away there number and they would be forced to fight the night elves/their troll ancestors as fairly equal.
Ultimately, they had a resource they exploited it and became the dominant power. That is what anyone does.
And the Kaldorei would have lost….horribly. Or you do you think the same race, i.e. the trolls, who broke the Qiraji empire with just their loa and magic would have lost to the Kaldorei if the kaldorei didn’t have the Well?
The Kaldorei were literally the same race as the trolls. They would not become night elves without the well so this line of reasoning is moot. Also, even without the well the night elves were accomplished mages. If a 100 human mages could rout out the Amani, so could the night elves.
Nice speculation with no proof