How Many Alliance

What? A racial that’s effective against one class most the time? On a CD?

Hardiness, in PvP, is the defacto you lose racial because your stun didn’t work. It effects:
Cheap shot
Kidney Shot
Hammer of Justice
Seal of Justice stun proc
Bash
Charge Stun
Intercept Stun
Concussion Blow
Mace Stun proc (Rogue and Warrior talents)
Any stun proc from weapons
Fire mage stun proc

Without the player having to do anything other than pick Orc at the starting screen.

Will of the Forsaken has far more beneficial use as an “on use” racial because, unlike Stoneform, more than one class relies on poisons and bleeds to win fights.

Great trolling though.

You it it has a “chance” to negate stuns, Its like people who play enhance shamans and boast about Windfury…

One Class?

Devouring plague.
Crip poison.
Vipestring/serpent sting.
Blind.
Feral Bleeds.
Rogue Bleeds.
Warrior Bleeds.

Just because someone doesnt agree with you doesnt mean they are just trolling.

My issue is when people say how superior horde racials are in pvp and they just arent…

Stoneform vs a class that it counters shuts that class down.

Where as hardiness may not even work at all in a fight.

Look at the duel tournament that Tips put together on horde side for the lvl40 beta.

Snuts orc warlock 1st.

Healingstat Priest 2nd

Toez spriest 3rd.

Shows you how good wotf was in this tourney. I doubt snutz won because he was an orc. At the end of the day the racials mean very little, but i still think Stoneform counters more of a classes weakness, especially for me as i will be a Dwarf priest.

Rogues cant reset on me.

Hard Counter. Doesn’t win you the fight

Reapplied after Stoneform is gone. Doesn’t win you the fight.

First one only useful to Mana Dwarves, so Paladin and Priest. Second, lol…Stoneform to remove Serpent in PvP.

It’s biggest claim to fame. This is what makes Stoneform a good racial, but hardly what makes it a great racial. Rogues don’t -need- Blind to win fights.

All reapplied after it wears off. Rogues have the best bleeds in Vanilla, and all the Rogue has to do reset the fight to reapply if they desire. Also they won’t be factoring a blind into the equation if they’re bleeding the opponent. Bleeds break a blind. Warrior bleeds…the only thing it does is making restealthing a bit of a chore. Good Rogues can vanish reopen, or simple stealth reopen if they drop combat, between bleed ticks. It’s not hard. Done it many times myself. Ferals will have Faerie Fire, so using Stoneform as a Dwarf Rogue to re-enter stealth is…pointless. Feral Bleeds in Classic, on their own, are not nearly as strong as they are currently in retail WoW.

When you state Alliance has better PvP racials overall over Horde, its trolling…or just ignorance. I go with trolling, since the game is 15 years old now.

See above

Stoneform is strong, but only hard counters Rogues, and only because it removes Crippling and Blind. It’s use against Druids and Warriors is laughable, and even more so against UD Shadowpriests…thats right, ONE RACE / CLASS combo can use Devouring Plague, and they won’t need it to win against any class that Dwarf can play.

Hardiness doesn’t have to work in a vacuum against a single opponent. It’s RNG, with no interaction from the player. A single resist of a kindey shot, or Hammer of Justice, is all that is needed to win. Zero skill. It’s always there, ready to resist whatever stun comes your way.

It was Venruki (Forsaken Mage) 1st, Snutz (Forsaken Warlock) 2nd, and CDew (Orc Shaman) 3rd, in the Tipsout tourney. LvL40 PvP is not an indicator of how the game plays out.

Its not how it plays out correct, but the point is racials dont typically win the fight out right like you say with Stoneform, why isnt your own statement true vs horde racials?

Its like youre just being biased.

All those things that get reaplied also do so for horde…WOTF a fear it just gets put on again after its over…

Dwarf anything on a non priest is amazing…Dwarf warrior is amazing. Gnome rogues or gnome warriors countering frost mages etc…

Like i said its the people who view this topic as black and white in a sense if you rated horde racials vs alliance have it as a 80/20 spectrum when in reality its closer to 50/50 was my point. People always think horde just stomp alliance cuz their pvp racials are “better” and its just not true.

I played on Dark Iron Alliance back in vanilla and my guild stomped our Server. My perspective might be different to others because i was on the winning side.

1v1 is only a portion of how pvp is played out, in the grand scheme of things Alliance is better in organized pvp anyway. Alliance wins Classic in pve and pvp.

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I agree. If you consider them as two groups, Alliance racials vs. Horde racials are much more balanced than people on these forums seem to realize.

Hell, even Paladins vs. Shamans. Sure, Paladins might have the best buffs and be the tankiest pvp healers in the game… but Shamans can purge those buffs and literally global people in pvp.