How long before we write the Community Council as a PR stunt?

[Ramsay-eldrethalas (Ramsay)]

[Roundnpound-bleeding-hollow]

It’s only been out a week, calm down people. inhales copium

They’re on vacation, they’ll start responding when they get back. inhales copium

They have only been back a week, just be patient. inhales copium

(Never mind that there are discussions happening in the classic related threads, clearly showing that the devs have the time to read and respond to topics, it’s just the ones on the retail side seem to be carrying on like business as usual. It was always going to be a PR stunt. The feedback has been staring at them in the face since alpha and beta and a lot of it hasn’t changed since then. It’s hard to be optimistic when daddy Ion has said several times over the last couple expansions that things will be different this time and they will do a better job of listening. They did an awesome job talking to the community through all the interviews and discussions they took part in leading up to the release of Shadowlands, but when it came to feed back from the players they did what they always do which was to ignore it and then have it blow up in their faces later in the expansion. I can’t wait to unlock flying again.)

[Meadows-illidan]

They already had a community council for years. It is called “forums”.

[Warp-hakkar]

I kind of think Blizzard purposefully chose people who aren’t super vocal about issues so they wouldn’t really have to be active in the council

Just my tinfoil hat theory tho

[Kneeshooter-amanthul (Kneeshooter)]

@Timbaeslice-frostmourne

There has been a post on basically every facet of the game so far,

Has there been a post on player housing? If so, can you link it as I want to read!

[Carhagen-moon-guard (Carhagen)]

Yeah, sadly there are a lot of morons out there who seem to think that Blizzard must reply to the majority of the threads or something.

That was literally never part of the council proposal, they said they’d be communicating, and they have been. I’ve seen some replies from developers which go into depth about the process like this one:

State of TBC Servers

Hello! First off, big thanks to Sixxfury and Basîl for taking the time to write up your thoughts on this. Second, apologies for taking so long to reply. No great reason or excuse other than “I had to think about this post a lot before making it” In any case, this is definitely a top issue for both us and for players, and it’s a topic we are basically always talking about as a team internally. I’d like to preface what I’m about to say with this: player distribution across rea…

And yes, is about TBC Classic, but the information in it also covers retail to an extent where they discuss server issues like the faction balance etc, since that’s a problem for both versions of World of Warcraft, not just classic.

Seen more communication from the developers on the CC forums in the past month than I’ve seen on the regular forums in years.

Sadly no matter how much more communication Blizzard gives, the morons will keep shifting the bar ever so slightly out of reach, then whinge when Blizzard can’t meet said bar as if it’s their fault.

[Vipiri-proudmoore]

@Bloomsday-sulfuras

I’ve been very happy with how the community council has panned out personally. I see it as an overwhelming positive for the game.

Huh? How so? It’s another forum where players suggest things to fix the game and they simply ignore it. It’s no different than the GD at this point. How exactly does that make you happy?

[Vipiri-proudmoore]

I think you’re all distracted by the real issue which is the fact this company should be begging our forgiveness due to the many IRL indiscretions that have occurred, not to mention the years of being systematically ignored in a game we pay for, instead of settling for the absolute smallest amount of effort they could possible give in trying to fix their relationship with us.

The fact I see some of you actually defending this company is… extremely worrisome.

[Trustlvlfour-zuljin]

I’ll be ending this discussion with the following:

1. The CC hasn’t finished inviting eveyone yet.
2. There has been some blue interaction but no one near the level most of us were hoping.
3. The excuse of holidays is valid. For now. But that will expire soon. Blues have been warned.
4. There’s still a whole pile of topics that have yet to be addressed by the CC that are equally important as e.g. mythic raiding.
5. Mirasol is an AI I constructed.

[Kwashiorkor-ravenholdt]

Yeah. I wouldn’t want to be the blue responder going to work every day thinking “ugh I have to write something up to pretend we care on the community council forum”.

[Tenfingerdps-stormrage]

Where anyone who doesn’t suckle at the teat of current game design is a moron?

Yer just a troll.

There has been little blizz communication. Lying about it doesn’t make it so.

Go back to being ignored.

[Carhagen-moon-guard (Carhagen)]

Where did I say that you ‘had to suckle at the teat of current game design’?

Projecting much?

You can be critical of game design easy, hell I’m critical of it myself from time to time.

But hey, now I’ve got someone else to block, thanks for the heads up.

[Blastkrizzle-moon-guard]

@Pinar-stormrage

For once can we just not hate something because it doesn’t fix the world the second it shows up?

I would love to agree to but then I see how FF14 fixes their problems within 1-2 months or at least address them.

There are no excuses anymore.

[Mazalila-lightnings-blade]

I thank the members that are genuine. Add some forum regulars to the mix and at least every base will be covered.

[Cäpslöck-proudmoore]

It’s had members for about a month, 2 weeks of that has been the holidays, and some of the points mentioned by community council members are already being improved upon (recent raid test announcement as an example). I put the impact of the community council as still too early to call.

[Totesmlotes-thrall]

I mean I wrote it off as a PR stunt as soon as it was announced. The video for it felt extremely forced and not genuine at all.

[Kazghani-wyrmrest-accord]

@Ventorath-wyrmrest-accord

Worse than a PR stunt – it’s an excuse to blatantly ignore feedback from the larger community.

Not only that, but a shield from backlash. You know they’re 100% hoping that we unleash all of our anger on the CC when they continue to keep ignoring feedback. They’re expecting us to blame the CC members when it continues to happen, because it has the built in excuse of “CC members are just pushing their own personal issues and wants and aren’t listening to the rest of the community”.

Seeing how the few members that’ve posted in GD have been, I truly pity them for what’s to come, because they seem like they genuinely want to help and improve the game.

[Hernehunter-moon-guard]

Why is the chimpanzee on vacation?

[Nui-feathermoon (Nui)]

And the sad part is, if this is true (my tinfoil hat tells me it is) then it is kind of working, people are overly critical of members of the CC as if they are employees. “They don’t speak on MY behalf, they don’t talk about the issues that concern me, they only accepted shills, there are too many streamers/not enough streamers” etc etc

[Kazghani-wyrmrest-accord]

It wouldn’t be the first time they’ve thrown community members under the bus. They’ve done this to a few of their streamers/content creators now. Like, I genuinely used to think Asmongold was a terrible person trying to destroy the game through his influence and that Bellular was just hopping on the hate-train to drive up viewership, but after watching a few of their videos on youtube I realized that neither is the case.

Both seem pretty passionate in their love for the game and just frustrated at how it’s being handled and then being treated the way they have because they weren’t heaping praise on Blizzard. I don’t agree with everything either of them say, but the picture that’s painted here of them is totally off base.