How is Sub rogue not nerfed yet?

[Kennie-malganis]

@Allegra-shuhalo

bro, go to check-pvp. fr the Stats page. have a look around.
you will see rogues as a class at the bottom
you will see sub, in 1800 SS at a grand total of 2.5% of the population

This hasn’t stopped them from deservedly nerfing the spec before, nor will it stop them again.

Because rep alone obviously isn’t enough to go off.

[Broxikor-nemesis]

@Kutha-andorhal

most broken ridiculous class in the game

sub rogues always went 6-0 on all my shuffle… unkillable + deleting anyone through shadows

[Horrified-akama]

@Broxikor-nemesis

sub rogues always went 6-0 on all my shuffle… unkillable + deleting anyone through shadow

They didnt, but okay lol. Making it sound like its the easiest spec to play. Show proof your games always have sub rogues going 6-0

[Bucknastéa-illidan]

But then they can’t zug as hard if they have to stop and think their brain might have a critical error.

[anon98143104]

Rogues do not need a nerf lol.

[Fligmos-llane (Fligmos)]

@Allegra-shuhalo

@Fligmos-llane

Since 2s bracket is the only one I care about and this a bracket in which sub rogues easily dominate - there is nothing you can say that will change my mind saying they aren’t OP.

i’m only going to say that it’s disrespectful to other players to suggest that a class or spec needs nerfs or buffs based on a personally narrow experience of the game. “i only care about x so this is what needs to happen to make me happy” has no place in an MMO. might not even have a place in a single player game either.

I understand what you are saying, however you are muddying the waters by equating 2v2 with people that like to duel outside of orgrimmar which conjures an image that it’s a fringe few players that play that content.

Total players above 1800 according to check pvp
3v3 - 2950 A 1406 H = 4,356
2v2 - 3725 A 2060 H = 5,786
solo - 13338 A 9442 H = 22,780

If we make a near impossible assumption that these are all seperate players, IE if someone does 2v2, then that’s all they do and thus can’t be counted in 3v3 or solo, then 17.5% of the pvp player base does 2v2. Of course, this would be an inaccurate picture because if someone is queuing up for 2s or 3s, then they probably also queue up for solo shuffle when their friends aren’t on. In other words, a lot of players experience rogues in the 2v2 setting hence why so many see them as OP.

EDIT: Also just wanted to say that you specifically pointed out rogue mage for 2v2. However, there are 619 rogues above 1800 (333 as sub) and a total of 129 mages above 1800. I wanted to point this out because it shows your assumptions of 2v2 are vastly outdated.

[Notorious-blood-furnace (Notorious)]

Quit using (insert rating cut off) here when talking about rep

Ideally stop trying to use rep as a way to say something is good or bad

But if you’re gonna use rep use PvP leaderboard top 5000 and use both NA and EU numbers

That’s the most accurate way to see rep

[Fligmos-llane (Fligmos)]

I disagree with the top 5000 and I would actually prefer to go down to 1400 since there are many that can’t even hit 1600 rating. Reason I disagree with top 5k is because that only talks about the top and disregards low to average (majority) of players experience.

[Notorious-blood-furnace (Notorious)]

Except if you bothered to even look, you’d notice that it is top 5000 per spec and not top 5000 overall you muppet

Top 5000, even if every spec had 5000+ players, would still be the most accurate data set to view if you were looking strictly at rep

Mage numbers for SS are as follows just to prove the point

NA
4027 Frost
2347 Fire
1555 Arcane

EU
3904 Frost
2450 Fire
1420 Arcane

Total
15703

Solo Shuffle Statistics | PvPLeaderboard

[Allegra-shuhalo]

@Fligmos-llane

I understand what you are saying, however you are muddying the waters by equating 2v2 with people that like to duel outside of orgrimmar which conjures an image that it’s a fringe few players that play that content.

no that was not my intention. my intention was to highlight that doing well in one area or one specific set of circumstances does not mean nerfs are required in other areas. I also equated it to M+, which is anything but fringe, but you left that part out.

@Fligmos-llane

Also just wanted to say that you specifically pointed out rogue mage for 2v2

yes, in a traditional sense, as that is a historical comp that did well. may not be as great nowadays, sure, but it is, historically, one of the comps that did great in 2s

at the end of the day, some specs will be better in various forms of pvp. some will be better in solos, some in 2s, in 3s, or in shuffle. I don’t think it is even possible to balance them so that they have perfectly equal representation or potential across all game types.

but based on your 17.5% number, it would sure be strange if you nerfed a class for 17.5% of players could find it middle of the pack and not OP, while affecting the other 82.5% which are already low/middling. Essentially you would take those 82.5% which currently have no reason to believe their spec is OP, and smack them down even further.