How Is Paladin In Phase 0-1 Truthfully?

I leveled as prot so yes its viable but still boring. Pull medium size pack of green mobs, drop consc, stand there auto attacking with JoW until they die. Sit drink do it again. Hardly engaging gameplay.

Attempting to main tank ony with blessing of kings spam was the most fun i had on protadin though. Ran out of mana eventually though and half the raid died but we killed her eventually.

This thread is like basically every other thread on a WoW board, which is like basically every other thread I’ve seen on a WoW board since I first walked into one in 2006.

And people standing up for streamers is no different than people standing up for celebrities. Hell, it’s no different than people trying to get in good graces with Zezima in Runescape back in 2003 because of having the highest total level. It’s just what people do, and people in MMOs seem to be a lot more die-hard and headstrong in the first place.

It’s not like people only started raging at raiders after the Onyxia wipe animation came out or anything. A lot of people did that prior to a viral video, a stream, etc. Again, maybe because I’m not directly interacting with whatever streamer, and not talking about whatever streamer with whomever I’m playing with, but it just seems like another Thursday to me.

Prepare to wear that blue dress son.

Plenty of rhythm in that auto attack lvling :sweat_smile:

Just means while you’re all sweating to level I’ll be playing Belatro on my Steam Deck.

You are viewing the game through the lens of retail. There’s so much more to classes than just raids, which require a lot more rigidity in talent choices, gear and what buttons you press.
You will not be able to prove that a Paladin is able to stay “top 10” in DPS through any stage of raiding content, period. It simply does not exist because Paladin is not a DPS class. That is of course you somehow find a raid full of nothing but Paladins, or the rest of the raid is trolling.
A Warrior specced into Mortal Strike is still going to perform better than a Paladin. All Paladin utility can be brought by healer Paladins. As someone who supposedly mained a Warrior I shouldn’t have to tell you any of this but here we are.

I will be leveling a hunter. Once it hits 60 I am out till TBC release. I can’t do classic leveling all over again especially after enjoying SOD warrior and paladin so much

Not by much. At least not during Phase 1 where most of the enemies in MC are immune to bleeds. Beyond P1 Arms War starts to take a substantial lead, but it’s still significantly less viable than dw fury.

Yes, by quite a bit. Feel free to substantiate any of your claims with logs. Otherwise you’re just talking out of your proverbial.

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Hunters are basically auto attack bots as well. Even in raids the bulk of your damage comes from autos because otherwise you’d go oom after like 2 full rotations so you gotta weave a lot of autos in. And during leveling it’s just send your pet in, auto, serpent sting, auto, arcane, auto auto auto until it dies. And you have to tame and use pets you don’t wanna use to level up your main pets skills, which eats into the leveling time.

By the time I was level 20 I had lot of abilities while my paladin was still auto attacking with one damage skill :sweat_smile:

It’s called 20 years of warrior experience. Rend opens the door for a lot of Arm’s big damage. If mobs are immune to bleeds, then you loose a vast majority of your bonus damage. Feel free to note the difference when you’re leveling between killing a level 18 boar and killing a level 18 dust devil in Westfall. One can bleed one is immune to it.

Yeah but like I said in my OP I plan on primarily PvPing, and PvE is just a means to get me there.

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Again, please provide any logs to back up your claims since you’re the one saying that Paladin can not only perform “top 10” in raiding content, but also that 2 handed Warriors don’t beat Paladins “by much”

Also you mentioned PvP in your original post, not PvE, where Warriors bring far more to the table than a Paladin who isn’t healing/supporting exclusively. Your job as a Paladin is to enable all allies around you, such as Warriors who rely very heavily on that support. I suspect ultimately you might enjoy SoD a lot more, which is that way---->

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If you’re such a stickler for logs you provide them.

Paladins are the best duelers in the game for PvP. And dueling is the only type of PvP accomplishment the vanilla community takes seriously. Warriors are only good in BG’s, and only become viable in duels with copius amounts of gear and sweat. And in BG’s Warriors are only good if they have a pocket healer. Beyond that everything makes them their female dogs in heat. Even Rogues kite Warriors to death. On alliance side no class in vanilla has the 100-0 capabilities that a Paladin has in PvP. Warriors can dunk on someone if their gear vastly outweighs their clothy targets, but a Paladin can dunk on fellow plate wearers.

These aren’t things I’m just making up. These are just straight facts, regardless of whether or not you want to believe them.

That’s not how it works. I didn’t make outlandish claims, you did. Since you can’t back up anything you have said, I’ll take that as you concede the point and we can move on.

Has a Paladin won a Vanilla dueling tournament recently or since 2019 Classic?

What a ridiculous and unsubstantiated claim to make. Who’s this supposed Vanilla community? Streamers? You?

Dueling doesn’t reward gear, historically it was premades, and Paladins who aren’t healing don’t have a place there. They exist to, again, enable other classes like Warriors because Warriors scale amazingly with support (as well as gear).

I can’t tell you how to play. In a random BG you can do whatever you like. You asked for advice, I provided it, and it appears that you really don’t like the answer and honestly you’ve already made up your mind.

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Most Ret paladin’s I’ve met act this way, huge copium intake.

lol, lmao even.

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I’m almost convinced he’s trolling at this point. but, he’s a paladin after all so maybe not lol

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No you didn’t. You’ve been posting nothing but salt ever since I dare said Arms War doesn’t have a place in raids either. Not fun being told that is it? And there’s more to a class than it’s top parse, just like there’s more to people than their appearance. But you only want to see the parse. Google it yourself I’m not your dad.

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I asked for proof which you cannot provide. How is that salt exactly if I don’t take every anecdotal thing you say at face value? Seems more like disagreeing to me.
Absolutely I agree that there’s more to a class than a top parse, which is why I said in an earlier post that there’s more to a class than it’s specialization.
We’re talking about PvP now, not PvE. If you’re going to just make things up out of thin air, not provide any evidence then tell me to just “google it”, how can I or anyone else take anything you say seriously?

If you wanted people to lie to you, then you probably should have left the word “truthfully” out of the title of your thread.

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