You realize that’s the same for most top parsers of every spec, right? What’s the point you’re trying to make?
that they’re irrelevant outliers
Yes but with the adding of focus and ammo removal and pet changes in Cata, they do become a very different class. Out of all the WoW classes that have been listed back to back as being “the most OP”… I think hunters have made that list less than any others tbh. So yea they could use a buff. Blizz nerfs paladins like crazy but they almost never do so to hunters cuz hunters never get good enough to need a nerf.
7x more people playing SV and a MM Hunter takes the 2nd spot on complete raid dps.
Now he’s 19 dps off the top Survival Hunter with a significantly shorter raid (less parse setup):
Almost ended this phase with a MM Hunter on top despite FAR fewer players playing it and an entire community saying it’s bad compared to Survival because people are absolutely clueless and don’t realize that glancing at raw data doesn’t provide you with the entire picture.
I sense the dark powers of necromancy in play.
Cool to see at some point a hunter rant thread not started by ragemode or about BM though. variety is nice
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Yeah, that is kinda crazy…
I think it’s worth mentioning that the way ToGC is designed, and the way WCL has chosen to do logs, really screws Survival over. As in, Faction Champs isn’t counted where Surv is putting out like 15k damage and MM is at 11k. Explosive Trap doesn’t proc on Twins, which is absolutely massive for Survival and just a bummer for MM. And Anub adds have such low damage counted to them (600k), and if that was closer to 900k or so, Surv would blast that fight.
In terms of raw, raid damage, Surv absolutely still blasts MM out of the water. That said, nice to see some people making MM work, but I think there are some caveats there leading to that outcome.
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That MM Hunter has 3-4 more ilvl on average than other top Hunters, that’s huge, imagine if Surv didn’t have to wear Greatness…not only that but he’s alone as MM for 75 ranks which btw if you look at that specific parse, is very try hard with wipes until they get it perfectly. That’s cherry picked lol…I’m not convinced at all.
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how do ppl not understand outliers. especially in a rng based game
if I win the lottery, I didn’t play the game better.
imagine shooting free throws, but after you shoot, you roll a dice. If you roll 3+ you get double pts. It’s easy to see that a less skilled player could beat a better player.
Top parsers just reroll the dice if they lose.
That is solely because of the difference in ilvl between Greatness and Runestone.
??? He had a 56 minute long raid compared to the top Survival having a 229 minute raid.
This guy has consistently been putting up numbers like this in shorter raids (less wiping to force perfect pulls) than the top SV Hunters.
it’s a simple spec, what is it he is doing different that no1 else figured out?
He’s in a good guild with good kill times. Most of the top Hunters are SV, so there’s almost no chance for more numbers like this to pop up. If you took half of the top 100 SV Hunters and they all went MM for a couple weeks, you’d see significantly more MM Hunters in the top 100 complete raid rankings for Hunters.
MM and SV are really close in DPS. (inb4 someone links the WCL stats page with absolutely no context and no understanding of the situation).
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Ya, the top kill times are a minute faster than mine, but my hunter is in the guild gdkp.
Spec is A tier and could be S tier. Problem is people aren’t playing it for simpler cookie cutter classes. I’ve seen Blood DK toping meters in Dps in ToGC. Yet people complain about Blood needing Dps buffs. They don’t. It’s just people aren’t willing to do the hard work to make their spec S tier. It’s really that simple.
So more hunters need to commit to being S tier, getting the gear, working on their build to fit their play style.
Joe Biden, is this you?
I dont think anyone is asking for blood dk buffs, but for them to fix the bugs with DRW. DRW is just a really jank coded spell.
Actually there are threads asking for Blood Dps buffs. Which is why I said that. Meanwhile Blood pumps. Players are often just not trying to make their spec S tier is the problem. They rather play Meta.
when you let a couple of addons control your fun that’s what you get
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You say that about a 56 minute run, but not the nearly FOUR HOUR run for the surv hunter that beat them? lmaoooo
From Greatness to Runestone is 1-2 ilvl, not 3 or 4.
I never talked about time, I’m just saying they are try harding hard to a point of being very good which make their parses even better.
I get that both specs are close and that MM is getting closer to Surv, the point is that MM is very gear and ARP dependent and should’ve been fixed before it was too late. Take Feral or Ret for example, they could have done the same to MM.
MM should have been C or B tier the whole time but it was D and E tier instead, MM is only better NOW because of the gear and ArP, otherwise it’s an underperforming spec.
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