How important is the secondary stat ?!

I’ve been Shammy Ench this season and his stats priority suggested by wowhead is:

Agility

Mastery

Haste

Crit

Versatility

Even with AOTC pug Awake raids and M+ its been a pain in the (*), so I decide to take a look at healer spec to find out Stat Priority:
Intellect
Crit
Versatility
Haste
Mastery

@Blizzard can you please sync the stats across the Specialization for the same class PLEASE?!?!?!?!

On the top of getting new trinkets and weapons in order of play healer with my class I will need to get a whole new set of gear what is a TOTALLY turn off :frowning: IN GENERAL

From my understanding all the resto sham secondary’s are pretty close in value. Just swap out your trinkets, weapons and maybe the rings and you’ll be fine.

And the agility will swap to intellect on most of your gear so that’s a non-issue.

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I highly doubt Blizz designs classes or specs with secondary stats in mind. It’s just a matter of how abilities interact that gives more value to one over the other. That said, in S4 you should be pretty deep into diminishing returns on your two best stats that they’re probably falling behind the others anyways

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Life is too short to optimize two sets of gear for two differ playstyles. Just get one set for your main spec, and just accept you will be 95% optimized for the other spec.

Its just a game sir and/or madam. Don’t drive yourself silly.

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I’ve been wondering for several expansions now why secondary stats are even called secondary stats. Literally no spec looks at gear and cares that it’s got their primary stat on it, it always will. Secondary stats are what matter. I would wager that a class that needs haste/mastery as it’s 2 best stats would do better with gear 40 ilvls lower with ideal “secondary” stats than one 40 ilvls higher but bad secondary stats.

Secondaries are the real primary stats.

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Not really…99 times out 100, primary is going to worth nearly double your best secondary

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This is just not true. The primary stat on the piece more than makes up for the secondary for the vast majority of classes. Obviously with jewelry being the exception as there is no primary.

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I just stack haste, I’m fast af boy

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Secondary stats matter for reaching certain breakpoints that make your output more fluid. The difference otherwise is negligible and unless you’re trying to parse 90% or do the highest content it wont make or break your gameplay.

Crit for a healer being is such an odd choice in gearing in organized play. Your output is inversely predictable with the presence of crit. If you have a 50% crit chance every time you drop a big heal there’s a 50% chance you’re predicting its influence wrong.

The fact that you’ve already got AotC done at 496 on week 3 should tell you that there is no need to to perfectly optimize your secondary stats. This is something that is only necessary for people competing for the highest keys or fastest raid clears.

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Seems reasonable for a melee dps.

Seems reasonable for a ranged healer

Why would two completely separate playstyles use the same gear? They already do you a bonus of swapping Int/Str/Agi based on what is best for your spec

I just stack haste because I hate waiting for the global and cast times.

QoL thing, not a DPS thing.

i heal keys and sometimes raid as disc completely spriest geared and its fine
just speedrun gettin some stuff with int to replace the agi gear and otherwise youre good

no it wouldnt.
maybe rings or neck. maybe

nah for 99% of situations primary > secondary no matter what

They have really done a good job at just making it ilvl over everything. Simplistic but if thats the angle they’re going for then /shrug

You can test this theory out yourself using raidbots, ive done it before myself. Take your current character with all their stats just the way you like them, and then find gear with the opposite secondary stats, and give it lower ilvl. I will admit maybe it wont be 40 for every class maybe it’ll be 20 or 30 even, but it is true.

I have tested it…many many many times. The delta between my best and worst secondaries is about 0.5 dps, while Int is worth 2-3 dps more than even my best secondary. So an item with verse/crit and even 1 int more than an item with haste/mast is a bigger upgrade. 20 ilvls would be a MASSIVE upgrade even with the worst secondaries

And actually if you want to get really technical, my worst secondaries (crit/vers) are actually worth more than my best (haste/mast) because of diminishing returns

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dont just take stat priority at face value.

the reason most healers have mastery at rock bottom is because Damage is the priority.

having a ton of mastery doesnt make the spec “bad” generally for healers. it just makes their heals hit harder etc.

but again, in the world of damage. all the other 3 stats do a better job of improving the damage and having some effect on healing ability.

as far as DPS Enhancement, the scaling is far better with the other stats. Mastery. haste faster cds. crit stacks on mastery and Verse is just flat bonus not that broken math scaling mutiplyer.

but Verse is good to have for the DR while not completly loosing out on damage.
your heals are worthless if you are stuck inspecting the floor after all.

the way i see crit is, thats your RNG roller. do you want to roll a 1/6 dice, or stack it to be playing flip the coin?

personally i’d rather have something like 1.75 normal damage and low 1/6 crit 2.5 damage than 1.15 normal and and 1/3 chance to 2.3

but if you have a lot of dice to roll per second. crit can take off in value. :dracthyr_shrug:

crit has always been of high importance for resto shaman, not only for throughput but also for mana regen. plus when you crit, it has a great cheering sound that makes you just feel good about life for 0.2 seconds.

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https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/63Ah3C6gWVJMzxvoDGpQJ1

here is my paladin, currently ilvl 480 overall. I gave her a full set of crafted 500 ilvl gear which is 20 full ilvls above what she’s at now. this report has her doing a whopping 22k less dps.

edit: all the gear has nothing but haste/mastery on it. Instead of primarily crit/vers.

as others have said, get your best ilevel. then farm/buy/craft trinkets and jewelry that you need.

crit is going to be good for any shaman. versatility is underated across the board for many specs/classes. vers just make you better at everything. haste just makes cast time faster. always a good thing.

and mastery for resto shamans I think boosts your healing spells based on the amount of health the character you are healing gets. if I am correct, the more health they are missing, the more mastery boosts your healing spells. in pugworld, this is clutch.