I’m trying to decide between the two and it’s hard. I keep seeing people saying that havoc is just a faster version of fury. So other than mobility, how do the two really differ in play style? I’m a huge fan of the barbarian/berserker archetype, but also love the look of the DH.
My advice is don’t go with Havoc this exp, and im Havoc main, Fury is more simple to play and learn and more rewarding since their dmg is good. Havoc is very hard to master and if ur new and need to learn dungeons/raid it will be very hard because with Havoc u need to fel rush to upkeep momentum. Just go with fury for now,it might be less mobile but rotations feel great, dmg is good and later on in next patch u can give havoc a shot if u really want it.
Havoc is arguably the hardest melee specs (top 3-5 of all dps specs) to perform well on and not as rewarding.
All specs have fairly simple rotations and they all have their nuances, but what sets Havoc apart is high APM (actions per minute; I think top 5 in that regard ) and a needed layer of spatial awareness due to momentum that I don’t think any other class needs to have.
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I’d say havoc is SLOWER than fury. Havoc has to spend all of its mobility spells in order to doax.dmage, fury has no such problem.its an insanely mobile, tanky, and fun DPS spec. Havoc stopped being fun after BfA.
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havoc is a watered down version of fury warrior really.
maybe they should give havoc a death wish type pvp talent or something so we could at least do some meaningful dam
Havoc is slower tham fury, have slightly weaker defense capability, its direct damage is mediocre, its rotation is more complicated and depends on lining up short damage windows correctly.
As a previous Havoc player I recommend more Fury 
I don’t play Fury because I would have to level it and raise repurations again and I already had the Evoker at 70 by the time I decided to abandon DH.
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The issue with fury is no one wants them in higher keys because they dont bring anything special than just dmg
Damn. Not a smidge of love towards Havoc in this thread lmao
I swapped to VDH and tanked because HDH is not rewarding not really wanted and it’s like sub rogue without the reward. Sucks as it’s my favorite class. Might be fixed in 11.0
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Fury has higher APM and doesn’t use mobility as a rotational gameplay loop. (Sure you can heroic leap and charge for fury but that’s minimal)
Other than that, similar profiles and playstyles.
I think all of us here love havoc, but we’re just being realistic, the current havoc isn’t fun for us, it does damage but it’s not enjoyable unless you enjoy seeing the numbers on the meters at the end of a fight. Unfortunately Havoc lacks a sense of impact, no skill feels really impactful (unless you line up the damage windows right and have a crit).
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Havoc is really fun and rewarding to play. You actually have to think and use your abilities situationally.
There is also a No Mover build that is completely viable which invalidates all the complaints about momentum playstyle.
This season in pvp, you can stay completely away from the movement side for a more SL play style using Shattered Destiny and Any Means Necessary.
All the love for Fury here is because its a mongoloid spec any monkey could play which is what DH used to be. And good riddance.
The only feedback you will get on these forums is crying about having to actually play the game. These people want UHDK performance while mashing 2 buttons and hitting a CD every 2 min.
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Lol what? LMAO what the hell are you talking about.
Battle Shout, Rally Cry, and Zerker Shout?
Lets just look at 20keys.
4th highest used dps. DH forums are the worst.
Very elitist of you to refer to the spec and those who play it and enjoy it in this way.
I don’t know about DK, what I want is the DH from ToS and BfA. 
All forums are the same, the level of criticism varies depending on the perception of the class of those who participate in it.
People use the term “Elitist” when they feel like everyone should cater to them and their feelings. Fury is a mongoloid spec. Its the truth and I’m not sorry if it hurts anybody’s feelings.
Here is the softer worded version straight from WoWhead if that makes you feel better:
“This makes it highly engaging and proves that a specialization doesn’t need to be complicated in order to be fun.”
Nothing is holding you back from playing like ToS and BFA. All the talents are there.
I’m pointing out there is opposition to the constant posts from a few players about wanting the faceroll playstyles to be the meta.
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Now you just trying to say “I’m not wrong, I didn’t do anything wrong” like you’re a tantrumy kid, when you’re practically saying that the spec was made for people with mongolism.
False, although you can mime due to the great similarities of the abilities, the effectiveness and the impact of it is the same, to try to have that you need to play based on the damage windows and align them correctly to see the effect, it does not matter which build you uses, there are always 2 to 5 damage windows and you always have to play around them, that’s not the DH form ToS and BFA.
1st- how do you know that there are few? It seems to me that you are simply assuming especially considering that
2nd- the “faceroll playstyles” as you call it was the main playstyle and what most drew people to this class, even before ToS when using momentum there wasn’t much else to worry about apart from not ending up in a bad position and die.
From what I can guess given the history of the class, people like you are the vocal minority that has been pushing the class to more and more complexity when that was never its foundation.
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Again comes as no suprise that people like you are defending current Havoc while mostly u have 15-17 keys done.
Havoc has good demage in low keys since mobs die fast and risk of using fel rush/vengful retreat is not high as things don’t one shot you and you can self heal over them.
When you get into 20s and mobs are still alive after you used Eye Beam/Essb combo u start to see real problem in dps, also u have no real survival skills aside from blur and it has little impact. Also you mentioned no mover being good alternative. I do agree RAID no mover is good alternative to momentum as it comes close but once u step into m+ momentum is a must.
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To say this means you’re just oblivious as to how the spec works, specially in AoE situations.
Not playing Initiative + Momentum are pretty sizeable loses in any situation, not to mention the spec can’t avoid IP which also forces a Fel Rush spam playstyle in Single Target (while being a dead talent in cleave/AoE situations)
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Then explain this post mr smarty pants.
Tons of warriors complaining about not getting into higher keys for the exact issue i listed…
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