There is just no reason to invite a warrior to m+ (20’s and above). You bring nothing to the party and it has been this way for a while. With the new affixes focused on more CC, warrior feels more helpless than ever and are on desperate need of utility.
Warrior is the only class without anything useful for M+. ( Purge, Soothe, Dispels, Brez, Lust, Hard CC nor good stuns or Interrupts ). This is what the new talent system should allow developers to fix easily.
My recommendations would be to give Warrior at least one of the next abilities:
Disrupting Shout becoming part of class talents instead of prot only. ( Yeah, op for pvp but im not talking about that niche part of the game ) Or maybe even avaiable to fury only, since the MS that Arms has for PvP seems to be the reason of the lackluster utility on warriors trickling down to affect PvE.
A rework to intimidating shout that allows you to spec it in to being a one target hard cc that can be casted from range or the “mass dispell” equivalent for enraged npc’s . ( you shout and you remove enrages from everything around you) Fitting the “menacing” warrior fantasy.
Bring back Shield Slam being able to purge or put it on another ability. “Weakining Strike” or something. The warrior fantasy does allow for this kind of gameplay.
Lust, yes . Lust, name it "Commanding Shout " . the bottom line is :
WARRIORS DESPERATELY NEED AT LEAST 1 REASON TO GET INVITED TO M+ GROUPS, check the invite per class data if you have something like that. Warriors are completely incapable of handling the new affixes or bringing any kind of utility to the party. (at least on raids Rally is good, but on m+ is way less useful)
I just want to play the game Blizz, my ehn shaman alt with less ilvl , damage and io score gets invited waaay faster to all kinds of m+, just because of the utility. With warrior you can be queuing for hours on end for 20’s and above and you will always be the last option on the menu.
TLDR: GIVE WARRRIORS 1 THING TO MAKE THEM DESIRABLE ON M+. We are the only class without any kind of utility at all.
While I agree we are pretty useless for “Afflicted,” I do find I’m able to at least help out with “Incorporeal” when I need to. Kick at 6 or 7, Stormbolt at 6 or 7, and you’re good.
People seem to really underestimate Rally at times. I have saved groups in Freehold from bolstered Enforcers with Rally. It allows us to shift the break point of certain mechanics. Another example was Tyrannical bird boss in Al’gathar.
I wouldn’t mind warriors getting lust, it would be a very welcome addition which would blow the top off forced comps. Just very doubtful we’ll see it.
I would agree in a logical sense, but its a problem of perception as well. If you are forming a key group what do you prefer? A class that can somewhat deal with the mechanics if played on a high level. Or a class that can reliable deal with the mechanics while also bringing something useful (ergo making the key easier) and consistently as well, regardless of the weekly affixes? The choice is very obvious.
I would agree partially, but I think a bigger issue is that our limited utility is also awkwardly gated behind the talent tree tiers. At this point shockwave is basically mandatory unless you are being carried, which means sacrificing a bit of dps where other classes just get their aoe stun without sacrificing anything.
Piercing howl is also arguably the best aoe snare in the game for things like spiteful and kiting big pulls but for some reason its locked behind a talent that’s hardly ever usable.
I think making shockwave and piercing howl more accessible in the talent tree would be a good start to giving warrior more m+ utility without changing anything fundamental about the class.
I wouldn’t say we are useless, however I do agree that other classes have a better time with the ability to not only bring utility ( and more of it) but don’t have to give up to much to have their cake and eat it too.
If you take a look at all the reworks at each .5 and .7 blizzard has done to all the other classes compared to everything else, it feels that warriors are either a class blizzard has low priorities on or they only throw out token things towards the end before a patch cycle goes live. In the alpha beta cycles of DF, warriors were given utility. Skull Banner, Heroic leap grip just to name a few things, all removed and then told by blizzard they will give us something to replace that lost utility on our trees. Warriors are still waiting for that but the longer warriors wait for that “Something”, it feels like it was an empty promise by a developer or who ever said those words made the promise and just forgot about it.
Warrior class fantasy feels like we get the tools, then removed before we have a time to play with them or the community complains that we have them and are given to other classes with not much a peep from the community.
Things developers should start looking for warriors:
A) As it has been mentioned, a form of Lust/hero, after all our fantasy can support a shout with this mechanic no matter what the rest of the community will say about it.
B) A silence mechanic to help pull casters as a tank would be good QoL Utility for prot so we don’t have to use a lot of LoS while range just pepper targets without LoSing and screwing up the pulls. The Challenging shout mechanic works nice but I feel it should be on a shorter CD or put the silence on titanic throw.
C)Give us a 2nd covenant ability choice. I feel like as a class why do we only have one compared to some classes who have 2 or even in some cases 3? Even without one, the covenant choices we did have gave us Utility which was taken away. Is blizzard afraid to give us Utility?
“A” is something I’d love to see, but at this point its a pipe dream.
“B” & “C” could both be covered by giving us Ancient Aftershock again. While it would not pull casters to us, they would continuously get interrupted by the knockdown effect. Only issue would be of where to put it so all three can use it.
getting a “shout lust” like hunter pets have makes the most sense to me, as for a CC, We have Menace, it just requires dropping the 2 points in overwhelming rage, I mean it’s only a week…
The Ancient Aftershock effect was also given to us in early DF alpha and Beta formats which was at a time an option to add on top of our Dragon Roar ability.
At one point Arms had access to all 4 of SL’s class abilities with Spear and Ancient Aftershock’s interrupting effects on Dragon Roar in the class tree. Punish (If I remember correctly that was the name) was the Venthyr’s and Skull Banner was the Necrolord’s ability that Arms was going to have. Then they gave both abilities to Fury and a week later all 3 abilities were removed leaving us with only spear.
They then baked Venthyr’s visual effect into Massacre instead of the actual ability.
Or you know blizzard should design fun and challenging m+ dungeons with no affix. So people can actually enjoy the game and play the dungeon and not play the affix
If they replaced intimidating shout with hard CC I’d be fine with that.
I dunno, you have plds that essentially have off heals, hard CC like repentance and blinding light (or w/e it’s called), HoJ, interrupt, and a better immunity mechanic than die by the sword absolutely dunking on warriors in pve and pvp right now…yes warrior mobility is pretty good but it doesn’t really even the tables for kits.
Seems like if they throw warriors a bone pvp wouldn’t be upended. There is a bigger gorilla in the room(arena?) in how bloated the pld kit is.
Heard ya brother. I can’t afford to bring DK or warrior to any of my keys this week. Even if we have 2 other hard CC’s, I’m only going into keys with at least 3 for those just-in-case scenarios.