Mine doesn’t seem to climb at all really.
So when I start, I am stealthed and I apply garrote/rupture to almost every enemy. Then I fan of knives and Crimson Tempest, and then focus the mob with the most health for my mutilate/envenom for caustic splatter.
At this point, after applying bleeds to all enemies, crimson tempest, and focusing the mob with the most health, I am usually around like 100-150k, yet I see Ret Pallies/WW Monks, Feral Druids, MM Hunters, around like 300-400K at this point, when they have much worse gear than me.
I can watch a youtube video of a Sin Rogue doing the same thing as me, and his DPS skyrockets to like 600K at this point.
What am I doing wrong exactly? It’s pretty simple to stealth in and apply garrote/rupture to a few enemies, and then focus one of them. So I am not sure what’s going on.
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Use this build: BMQAcWb37Z8KXj8LlE1rTPXfsRSkkIBBAAAAAg0Si0SCAAAAAA0KRCSgkkSaBJRSkkEJRpViEA
and a rotation helper like Hero Rotation or Hekili.
I’ve seen mine spike at 300k several times. It usually settles around 190-200k. I think the more mobs you have the better it ramps up. I don’t do keys. So take this with a grain of salt.
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So I got a log here.
Not all too good as the group burned through stuff so fast since it was only a +2 it was hard for me to get setup.
www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/cGHjdFabkf98xRg7#type=damage-done&fight=last
A BM hunter who was 10 ilvls lower than me was out dpsing me the entire time, except boss fights.
Where did I go wrong?
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Granted I’m not going super indepth on that log but you’re holding kingsbane for whatever reason and what I can only assume is you’re swapping off your caustic spatter target with it doing that little damage. Kingsbane juices your caustic on top of that and you’re just missing damage by holding it until you get deathmark back. I’d have to check but I’m pretty sure it’s also not worth pressing CT at all either unless it can tick on 4 targets.
You’re also trying to play a dot spec in content that doesn’t support dot specs at that key level.
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Yeah I haven’t figured out the timing yet when I can pop Kingsbane during trash fights and have it back for the boss.
I am def holding onto it for boss fights.
What do you mean swapping off my caustic splatter target? You mean, I have caustic splatter on a target and then I use kingsbane on another target?
Thanks for the help! I appreciate this.
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Without looking at the replay and going pack by pack it just seems at first glance you’re just swapping off of whatever your caustic target is because it should absolutely be more than 2% of your damage in a key. Looking at the timeline you’re also just going into some packs where you’re not applying caustic at all because you need to have rupture on the target or else mutt wont apply it.
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Oh wow lol I am totally using it wrong.
I thought it was attached to Envenom. Jesus!
Ok that’s great thank you.
So after applying garrote/rupture to a few targets, I stick to one and rupture then mutilate for splatter, then kingsbane that same target so it spreads to all targets as well.
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Early keys like that, every other/third trashpack depending on how fast theyre going down. Its only a minute cool down.
So rule of thumb, if it becomes available on the second to last or last trash pack before boss, save it
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I personally never play M+ without max lethality because the amount of opening burst you lose is just too much. Garrote is pretty much top dog and add kingbane to the mix as combo generators.
That means no thistle tea and posiblly 0 vigor 1 acrobatic or 0 acrobatic 1 vigor.
1 vigor helps more for boss fights whereas Acro helps more pretty much everywhere else.
With augvoker in the group ive seen 900+k trash Aoe so far.
This all depends of course on picking the right mob to apply spatter / kingbane to. Much too often the Kingbane target dies too quick which sux which can then lead to a no win situation of trying to get spatter up on another target which basically goes like this.
KIngbane / spatter target dies quick.
Lets get spatter up on another target.
Ok this mob doesnt have rupture up ( IC failed again with poor spread )
Lets build some CPs for a rupture.
Got CPs , lets appy rupture.
Oh that mob just died too.
Lets get more Cps.
Apply rupture.
Mutilate - great Spatter is up.
Oh that mob just Died too.
rinse repeat without success.
This cat and mouse chase happens way too often and extremely tedious and is partially eleviated in higher keys.
Even Looking for the highest HP mob doesnt always help.
The best strat i have so far is to always open / spread with IC on a caster so you can at least kick during opener ( spread dots with IC etc - im using a WA to show my Scent of blood stacks - we want 20 ) then swap to big melee to appy last spread rupture ( still during IC) and muti / Dance / kingsbane .
EVen then the Kingsbane target can die within 14 secs.
This preperation that is needed as Assa is Imo the most annoying of any class.
For this reason removing the Rupture requirement for Spatter would be a huge improvment for assa.
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Don’t have the time for a deep dive right now but i notice my aoe spike a bit after shiv with the aoe talent.
I don’t but I have fixed it.
I am doing much, much better dps now.
I was using crimson tempest too much and didnt realize it takes my bleeds away, and also I was not using caustic splatter properly.
4 set will help too because envenoms will do a cleave explosion as well.
I’m glad you got your numbers up!
It happens. Glad some of the regulars were able to help out.
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Yes it was great having help!
I knew I was doing a lot wrong lol.
It happens. We all were there at one point at a time. You have the right attitude and there are some solid people here that don’t mind helping.
Also keep in mind, Envenom buff up is very improtant. Make sure you envenom before sending big burst, with shiv and thistle tea. It will make a significant difference in your burst output.
Also dont over lap your massive garrotes from stealth, lets your dots tick down to 2-3sec and then extend them. Overlapping dots too early, like your crimson tempest mistake, will cost you alot of dps.
Just my two cents x
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Yeah thanks!
Its a lot to keep track of but its really rewarding when you do it all properly.
When is the right time to use crimson tempest exactly?
I’d say when there are 3 targets it will hit minimum. Less than 3 you’re better off doing something else with the global.
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So this is the build I use on my Sin rogue. I don’t have to worry about Crimson Tempest. It’s more of a ST focus, but with Kingsbane and Caustic Spatter windows my AoE does just fine (especially with Indiscriminate Charge spreading empowered Garrotes + Ruptures)
Luckily, so far this season I am almost always 1st place when I run M+ using the arterial build. This is also when I have lower item level.
Finding good results with the below rotation:
- Garrote from Stealth
- Rupture (3 point cast)
- Tab, Tab, Garrote (changing target with 2 tab clicks to better prevent overlap of Garrote on the same target, while the Garrote here is still buffed as is within the first few seconds out of stealth.
- Fan of Knives to get to max combo points.
- Rupture (5/6 point cast)
- Shiv (macro alongside Thistle Tea to be cast together)
- Fan of Knives to get to Max combo points.
- Crimson Tempest
I repeat the above using Vanish when I need to. When doing Shadow Dance I follow a different rotation.
Also be sure to mutilate here and there to keep up Caustic Splatter active. I actually swapped Caustic Splatter to Internal Bleeding because of the high frequency of using rupture from Indiscriminate Carnage, and somehow for my sim it increase DPS for me even though everyone else uses Caustic.
Hope this helps.