Please don’t suggest sub par builds to people. While it may work for you and the content you do.
Funny, i stole it from one of the top m+ Sin rogues…
Which one? Because I find it unlikely that top rogues aren’t using CT
Whichever one was putting up some of the highest numbers however long ago i posted it.
As mentioned its a ST build, probably focused on Tyr weeks
Edit: yup, was pulled from Zero on his Tyr weeks
What you linked is the cleave build.
This is what Whispyr said when describing the build.
“ A more niche build that’s being played at higher level keys, this build focuses heavily on increasing single target and priority damage in mythic+ at the cost of some overall damage. The AoE here is mostly carried by 
Caustic Spatter and the tier set bonus Envenomous Explosion. This does mean that in lower keystone levels you might encounter some issue with mobs dying too quickly, since you will be looking at 
Kingsbane to deal a lot of your AoE damage. If this is the case, I would suggest the Arterial Shock build instead. If however you’re looking to take the maximum single target build, perhaps for a Tyrannical week, or just to deal with pesky priority targets, this would be the build for you.”
Can almost guarantee you the OP isn’t doing high enough keys to make this a good suggestion for them.
Their best bet is to run the Arterial build
So I stand corrected on it being a viable build. It’s a niche build at higher levels where prio damage is needed.
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It is also a good build to start off with when youre not entirely familiar with the ebb and flow of the class.
It’s “easier” to maintain and focus on priority abilities like maximizing Death Mark and Kingsbane isntead of worrying about having all your DoTs up.
Again, its what i use, but i also prefer a funnel type playstyle (like SL sub/Feral)
No it’s not. Whyspr literally states it’s a high end build only. And it’s niche at that.
The issues that would be with this guild at lower levels is trash dying too fast. A cleave guild like this will get more damage in higher keys as the trash lives longer. There’s a reason arterial or the hybrid builds are the default build.
It’s also going to perform a lot worse. You still have to have your dots up with any of the builds.
What level keys are you doing?
Again what you use may or may not be the best for even what you do. Either way this build is again not something that should be recommended for people learning sin.
That’s exactly why this is a good build for lower levels too. By the time you get your Garrote’s and your Ruptures out and the time you get around to getting a 5cp Crimson Tempest, you get a few ticks and they’re dead.
With this build I can at least get my Garrote and Rupture set up and them pump into my Envenoms which are cleaving as well. For my key level (about 15s on my rogue), i’m about 5% behind on overall compared to the “preferred” builds.
5%. Not really “a lot worse”. Maybe 10% on the higher end.
That’s why it’s not a good build.
You literally just proved my point.
5% is a big number to be behind.
5% is a big number dude.
You’re doing 15s and not even close to where this build is designed to be. If you’re not going to listen to me then listen to Whispyr
Even then if you want to handicap yourself go for it.
But don’t suggest to people to play sub optimally
Thats why its a good build, so youre not wasting combo points on an ability thats not getting proper usage. Pointless to use Crimson Tempest when its only getting 25% uptime.
In 15 keys at my ilvl, its less than 10k damage overall. Not a make or break deal there.
In 25+ keys sure. In 20s and below, no.
I think youre losing track of what it is youre even trying to talk about. This is a discussion about Sin.
You’re not wasting combo points on CT.
That’s because you aren’t going much damage. 5% is 5%. Like it or not you’re pushing NF a sub optimal build. There’s a reason why it specifically states it’s a “niche build at higher key levels”
I know you think you know everything because you’re timing 15s but the lead theory crafter is literally telling you that you are wrong.
So again please stop suggesting sub optimal builds
The fact that you think I’m talking about sub here speaks volumes.
You clearly have never heard the term “sub optimal”
What I’m saying is that you are suggesting a below par spec. I never stopped talking about sin.
You are when you’re not able to get it up fast enough.
Because i’m lower ilvl in lower keys, like the OP. 5% of 1 is lower than 5% of 2. 5% isn’t much when you’re not pushing the top 10. The 5% i’m losing out on for having an easier time playing the spec isn’t what’s going to be the cause of timing vs not.
Nice edit. Your original quote was “stop telling people to play sub wrong”.
I never once claimed to know everything. I claimed I was running an easier build that puts up comparable numbers. And how is it “sub optimal” when it’s got some of the highest logged damage???
If you’re having an issue getting it up you’re making major mistakes.
I’m not pushing top 10 and 5% damage behind is 5%. It’s also sim damage. That’s not factoring in size of pulls and using the spec incorrectly which is what you’re doing.
I didn’t edit anything. You just assumed when I said sub optimal you thought I was talking about sub.
Yet you’re claiming that the spec you’re suggesting is easier. It’s not an easier to play build because you’re playing it incorrectly.
Because what you can’t seem to understand is that the build you’re suggesting is a NICHE build at HIGH key levels. It is flat out a dps loss to play the build your suggesting in sub 20 keys.
Tbh E numbers are only comparable because of how the spec plays at high key levels. In sub 20 keys trash doesn’t live long enough for it to be optimal.
Damage in keys at 28+ is not the same damage at 15. I don’t know why this is so hard to understand.
Instead of thinking you know everything try listening to the people that play at the higher levels.
I’m doing no such things. I’m using my build correctly. As i mentioned, I prefer the funnel/priority target play.
Wrong again. I’m playing the build correctly.
Yet i’m able to keep within that 5-10% of the “optimal” build for my ilvl in my key range playing the “nice” build. Not sure why that’s so hard for you to understand.
If you’re using the build in sub 20 keys you’re not using the. Build correctly.
You can have your preferences and that’s fine.
It doesn’t change the fact that it’s a sub par build to play in below 20 keys.
Are you playing it in level 15 keys? Then no you aren’t playing the build as it’s designed correctly.
That 5% is factoring in high keys not below 15 keys.
Because you aren’t. You’re keeping up with not good players that are doing 15s.
Never refuted this.
Nope, i use warcraft logs to compare my performances based around my ilvl.
Not so 
Yet you’re suggesting someone use it for sub 15 keys hence why I said to stop suggestions sub optimal builds to people.
Warcraft logs for
Mythic plus parses are a joke and should be ignored as they are based on the the key level and the time not the actual performance you do.
Your rogue is also 60.
Link your rogue then
The meat riding is insane.
I use the build for both higher keys and lower keys cause the CT damage is irrelevant a lot of the time and clunky to apply. Sin already has a lot on the plate. The extra ST damage from the build has been especially useful these last 2 weeks with last week being bolstering fortified and this week being tyrannical. I use it in low keys because CT will just not do anything when mobs die in <20 seconds. The build at least allows me to melt bosses.
Yeah because the lead theory crafters clearly doesn’t have a clue what they are talking about.
Learn what theory means. Stuff isnt always the same in practice.