OK so can we talk about her “unknown” power that was showcased with how she killed Varok? Even Thalyrissa and Jaina had no idea what kind of magic that was. Is it too easy that Syl made a pact or something with N’zoth?
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everyone will understand in the end.
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My question here is… what is the forsakens dark plans… like is the ominous foreshadowing that we are skipping over or am i reading too much into the way its worded
well yeah… but we wanna talk about it NOW and figure it out cause its INTERESTINGGGG 
Yeah well, there’s one basic difference, even tho Illidan acted like a scumbag especially when it came to his campaign to destroy the Lich King, he never went out of his way to mass murder innocent women and children, burnt alive for that matter.
I don’t think there’s much redemption to be had after what she’s done. There’s nothing you can do to clear your name after killing one innocent children, let alone a city full of them.
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We did also end up stopping him and invading and destroying his forces. Regardless of his actions his intentions for them. We did punish him and destroy his plans.
He was never redeemed and was probably never going to be welcome back on Azeroth. He just choose to stay locked up with the Pantheon .
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Illidan consistently ended up on the wrong end of the stick. To be fair, he always had the destruction of the Legion as his end goal but his bad actions would always be there to haunt him, and that was his shtick, self-sacrifice, that’s why Illidan kept his place as a fan favorite because he was a martyr.
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Kinda why I thought an Illidari faction would have been awesome. Made up blood elves, Naga, fel orcs, forsaken and broken. A true army of badguy outcasts that are willing to go to the extreme to take down their enemies.
I’d much rather her be a split off villain like this than continue being a second evil warchief villain. At least now we know how Sylvanas actually feels about the horde and forsaken and no clumsily handled ‘gray morality’ with her.
The only group of people that really seem to have issues are the folks in this subforum.
People are still subbing… that’s the one true measure of love.
relax the horde is already dead, no worries in taint something that no longer exists, we are now a vassal state of stormwind at best, since this rebellion was set in course by the high king himself, so all the achievements of the ‘‘muh honor horde’’ are credited to anduin, no more, no less…
yeah i’ll give you that, it was used to solidify the rule of the alliance over the horde.
@topic I feel that they finished her rule a bit too soon but alas we are done with the faction war, that is a relief and since she’ll be important in the next blizzcon I can be at peace that she’ll yet be relevant again in the future. and that the horde is no more.
People are still subbing … for Classic.
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Are we? According to both Anduin and Saurfang, it seemed as if the Horde behind Sylvanas was poised to destroy both the Alliance and Rebel forces. Now that the rebels and the rest of the Horde have reintwgrated, I don’t think the Horde is going to be Alliance vassals anytime soon
I don’t think that matters when the Horde is allegedly in a position of power over the Alliance atm.
It didn’t, like, at all. It just cured the Hordes’ cancer. Both the Forsaken and the Horde are now free of Sylvanas’s lies and deception, and it’s allegedly on equal footing to the Alliance, I’d say that’s a major win.
All we need now are some decent leaders to step up and we’re good to go.
More like, not soon enough. Every second she remained Warchief, Vol’jin was just rolling in his grave.
Mmm, such precious denial, feed me more of your savory elf tears.
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As much as you may believe otherwise, retail isn’t exactly a ghost town these days.
Based on what I’ve seen, and reports from raiders and M+, it pretty much is.
Creating and refining the blight. Forsaken questing was 75% blight development, including testing it on captured civilians, pet dogs, and tauren, and 25% random murder.
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Source for that?
- Lady Jaina Proudmoore says: Regent Lord, what manner of magic did Sylvanas use against Saurfang?
Lor’themar Theron says: I had hoped either you or Thalyssra would have the answer to that question. I have never seen her wield such power.
First Arcanist Thalyssra says: It was unlike any magic I have ever encountered. I could sense none of it, even in her presence.
Lady Jaina Proudmoore says: Then she must have only recently acquired it… or simply waited until now to reveal it.
Lor’themar Theron says: Either way, it does not bode well for us. Whatever she is planning, she no longer needs the Horde to achieve it.
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Funny considering she used those power twice at Lordearon, they just simply forgot she could just zip away.
Guess its just like Jaina forgetting can float ships in the air when it came to the Nazjatar trap.
Man blizzard makes their characters so forgetful
Less easy, more just…utterly predictable and makes her into an evil villain instead of “morally gray”, which does no justice to her characterization before that. Plus, Garrosh already did that, and I would argue he actually had the character buildup to have that make sense!
Garrosh was already insecure and prone to rash decisions. Getting ensnared by an Old God feeding on his emotions and trying to wipe out everything good made total sense for him. Sylvanas, on the other hand, was a fairly complicated, intelligent, rational, and subtle character who took shizzle from no one, and while a jerk, still seemed to care for those under her–at least to the point of not throwing them at an enemy like so much fodder and wasting her resources. Making her mindlessly kowtow to an all-consuming void god, starting a war that has ate through her forces like whoa with no obvious victories, is pretty out of character for her. For her kind of calculating character, she’d need a very good reason to do such a thing, and MUHAHA VOID POWERZ just isn’t it. (At least, not without being very disappointing and putting WoW’s story on the level of a Saturday morning cartoon, and I’m pretty sure that’s not their intention, as much as WoW has some of the other thematic elements that lend to that kind of storytelling.)
For one, she’s already mindlessly served someone: the Lich King. Did she not learn anything from that? Something about great power is not always what it’s cracked up to be and serving someone evil and insane always falls through for the underling? I thought the whole basis of her character concept back then was never becoming enslaved to someone else, and while still grasping on to power, never using it if it meant interfering with her plans, including tipping her hand to someone else so they would interfere. One would think she would be smart enough to realize that service to an Old God is nothing less than complete slavery, and that their corruption eventually does lead to over-the-top manifestations that everyone would attack her for. She’s watched evil power unseat Arthas, Garrosh, Azshara, and probably some others (with her long elfy life). Even with the ego of a zeppelin, surely she could realize that wouldn’t work out for her if it didn’t work out for any of them.
So to me, unless they really did throw Sylvanas’ concept in the trash (and I’m hanging onto that hope that they didn’t), there is some other kicker to this that makes it clear Sylvanas does have a good reason (at least, for HER), that is not just MUHAHA POWERZ.