So to my prior knowledge, i believed that Stealing someone’s Raid Instance Lockout Id for the week downing bosses, so that person can’t finish that Raid lockout Id for the week was considered Griefing, How would i go about reporting said persons or said “guild” who stole my lockout ID for the week, making it so now we can’t go back in there and finish the boss that they just took from us? Whenever i try to Open up a Ticket so i can explain the Situation it tells me to report the player by targetting them in game? How do i report them if i can’t target them and your Support system refuses to let me?
Pretty sure theres nothing you or a gm can do.
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kinda whack to be honest considering Raids have a weekly reset, pretty grief of people to just go and steal someones lockout Id for the final boss, after we spent Several hours clearing to the final boss
Sorry to say, but there isn’t a way to report it because no one person or group owns a raid id. Someone from your group let them in. Anyone in said raid id does/finish the raid, they’re allowed to.
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yea seems kind of whack one guy bails over loot drama, cause he loses an item 5 sr’s to 1 Sr then his guild ends up taking the Lockout Id, to spite everyone else who was in the raid guess ill just have to blacklist that guild from future runs
Unfortunately thats the risk of pugs
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idk man, they then didn’t even log the kill to hide the fact that they stole the lockout id, sabotaged the run, then stole the lockout Id as a guild, seems pretty Grief 40 people decided to band together to make the game less enjoyable/playable for other people on a raid that has a weekly Tuesday reset timer. So they knew what they were doing was Wrong, and even hid it
Griefing means something different to each person who uses the word.
Unfortunately, as soon as that person(s) were invited into your raid, they had just as much of a right to it as you do. This has been Blizzard’s stance on the matter for years now, and there is nothing that can be done. Is that person a jerk for what they’re doing? Absolutely. But just being a jerk isn’t always a reportable thing.
It just means that you have to be more selective about who you invite to your groups and vet people however you can. I am sorry you’ve had this happen to you.
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Also seems “kind of whack” to invite someone to a raid ID and expect them to just give up their weekly kills because you demand it.
They are a part of the raid ID, just like you. They are also locked for the week, just like you. So, they have the right to finish the raid, just like you.
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i think you missed the part where i mentioned the guy crashed out cause he lost the roll for the piece of gear he wanted, then his guild decides to steal the lockout, yea indeed it is Whack to steal the kill from 30+ other people for the week when ur guild wasnt saved in the first place
I didn’t miss anything. It’s just not relevant.
That player “owns” the Raid ID just as much as you do. They have the exact same rights as you do to finish the raid. End of story.
It’s not stealing when they earned it. They participated in (at least) one boss kill, and they are saved to the same Raid ID. They have every right to finish it, if they can get a group together.
You do not get “more” rights to the Raid ID. It is not “yours”. It is not “your guild’s” Raid ID. You don’t get to tell someone that you control their raid fate for the week.
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they did not in fact earn anything, they crashed out and abandoned the raid after losing the roll on the piece of gear they soft reserved, they don’t have a right to then steal the kills from 30 other people that’s got to be the weirdest logic i’ve heard in a long time, But yea i guess its okay for someone to lose a roll on a piece of gear, crashout causing the raid to fail then Seize the opportunity to Grief 30+ other people so they can’t kill that boss for the week, all because he “lost the roll”
Because that is your logic.
At the end of the day, the ID belongs to everyone e.g. everyone may continue, wholly or part, with or without those who orignally started it with.
They got locked as much as you do, there’s no such thing as stealing.
You may argue differently, but Blizzard has a very firm stance on this with previous similar threads made by others in here which you may take a look at yourself. I do empathise and can see your view, but it’s not deemed “stealing”, “against TOS”, 'he’s TOSsing me up" or any variations as of this moment.
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so they spent hours forming the raid, putting it together, to get it to the final boss?
They were present for the kill and saved to the Raid ID. It doesn’t matter what you complain about, how you slant it, what you say to tear them down. Performance doesn’t matter, loot rolls don’t matter.
They are saved to the Raid ID, so they have every right to finish it. You can continue to stomp your feet about it, but you’ve been given the answer, no matter how much you don’t like it.
YOU don’t have the right to steal THEIR kills, either. You do not own the Raid ID, neither does your guild. It belongs to everybody who is saved, including the ones you don’t like.
Yes, now you’re getting it! It’s ok for them to finish any Raid ID they are saved to.
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so if 39 guildies wipe on KT and then that 1 Pug goes in and Finises the KT kill that would be alright with you?
Looks at people sharing LK lockouts to kill it and nods Tale as old as time, but yes.
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It doesn’t matter what I’M alright with. I’m not sure why you seem to be trying to convince people to agree with you. You asked a question about reporting them, and you can’t. They did nothing wrong.
You seem to want to grab some kind of moral victory, and quite frankly, you won’t get that from me, personally. Because like I said, you don’t get to gate other players’ endgame by claiming they can’t finish a raid. End of story.
Others here might have a different opinion, and might be willing to offer that opinion. But in the end, it doesn’t matter. Blizzard has an explicit stance on this, and what they say is what goes. What you, or I, or a million others think is irrelevant.
If you would like to suggest this be changed, you should post your suggestion in the Dungeons and Raids Forum, or by utilizing the in-game Suggestion feature. I do warn you that convincing them to upend a 20-year policy is going to need a little more than “it’s not fair” and “they were mad about a loot roll”.
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It isn’t really about what someone may or may not think is personally okay with them. You can believe the actions an individual takes is wrong while still understanding it isn’t necessarily against the policies of the game.
The system in-game allows players agency over who to include in their group/raid. If that person was invited to join the raid they have as much right to the Raid ID as anyone else in that raid.
If someone with the Raid ID later invited others to the raid and killed a boss / completed the raid, they are technically able to do so. There are a limited number of situations in which “stealing a raid ID” would be considered griefing, but that is based on the behavior of the person with the ID. Actually using it to complete the dungeon isn’t usually one of them. Sorry.
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