I agree there will be tourists. Given the buzz that’s building about Classic, I’m not so sure there will be more tourists than players. And doesn’t Classic cost something, like an expansion?
I think having a dollar cost to Classic, plus using queues instead of layers, would keep the tourists to a minimum.
Classic only costs a retail sub. It doesn’t cost an expansion.
And I think you’re wrong. There will not be more players than tourists. There will be more tourists than players.
And ALL those tourists will be Retail players.
Retail is what’ll end up keeping Classic servers up, not Classic. Asking Blizz to make us pay separately will only kill it.
If it’s free to browse, there will be more tourists. I can’t believe they’re not charging for it. They’re releasing more content that’s new to most players than an expansion, and they’re not charging for it?
If layering is in for a few weeks to handle the server population at launch, then I’m fine with that. However, Ive been given no indication that this will be the case. All the way to Phase 2 is 2 if not 3 months. That is when the community is defining itself within a server and on the journey to 60. Its where friends are made.
I have a hard time believing that layer hopping wont be a thing in order to exploit resources, quest rewards, dodge pvp while leveling etc. People will always look for an easy way out to get to 60 as fast as they can.
Yep, Ion said a few weeks to end layering. IMO the thing to do is hold him to his word. The end of P1 is not acceptable based on his promise. I mean exceeding expectations and ending sooner would be great.
End of P1 is the worst case scenario, really.
That’s if somehow Classic flukes and converts the tourists to players. Blizzard is counting on that NOT happening.
The problem is that layering would get extended regardless of those tourist players. They would have to be lower than people playing games like Borderlands 2 or Rust TODAY and in 2 weeks time. Even if only dedicated Classic WoW players played they would reach these numbers.
They need to move spillover to a login queue if that happens, extending layering beyond a few weeks is not acceptable based on Ion’s promise.
Dude… how many servers do you think they’re launching with per region? And how many non-tourists do you REALLY think Classic will draw in?
I’m guessing not very many servers at all, and not very many non-tourist players. Hence the layering.
Clearly you haven’t read the posts I linked you 3 times already where all this is explained.
No, I have. I just don’t see how you guys reached the conclusion that somehow losing 60% of the realm’s population because they were tourists somehow leads to layering still being a thing.
They had dynamic respawn rates which blizzard doesn’t want to do now plus they were more committed to the idea people were going to stay playing in 3 months after they start.
Because they are underestimating the numbers and relying on layering so much that they can’t take off layering without a huge hit to server population and que times. They should instead plan for this without layering in mind but have layering as 1 week cushion.
So basically YOUR whole thing, is that you think Classic will have far more long-term players than even Blizzard thinks it will.
If that’s the case, then they’ll have to bite the bullet and add more realms. It’s as simple as that.
What makes you think they are counting on that NOT happening. Just speculating here but If I’m a suit answering to the shareholders, then the ideal scenario is to halt the bleeding on retail and get as many as these would be quitting retail players over to classic for another 2-3 years of subscriptions. The core vanilla crowd is older and although intact, not as numerous as 2004-2006. They know that the retail players will not mind, and even argue for things like layering as they’re a different kind of player that wants a game built on convenience and insta gratification. If Blizzard was putting the vanilla core fanbase first, I don’t see how layering for months or more would be an option.
and nothing will come out of it, cause you won’t have any proof, or even any illegal behavior.
Hopefully Blizz CS spam filter can take care of your ‘report’ before someone have to manually delete them.
The important point to look at is the “few weeks” Ion said. That is a very short timeline and long-term players in this case would be 2 week players for Ions plan to work so it’s not unrealistic to think that number will be above 60k concurrent after 2 weeks.
This…
Today’s generation would RIOT if they had to go through some of the things we did.
Edit: Maybe not riot but they would definitely cuddle up with a blanky and cry about it a lot.
What I find a little disturbing from Blizzard’s side is that in order for layering to do it’s job there HAS to be a major population drop within the first couple months.
Basically, Blizzard is counting on Classic to be quite the failure with people in order for everything to function smoothly.
You might say that’s a realistic prediction on their end. I say it’s a total loser attitude. One that Blizzard doesn’t need to stoop down to given Classic is the legendary MMORPG out there, and has a big audience waiting for it because of that.
When companies start acting like losers they usually don’t end well. It sucks to see Blizzard out of all companies to act like that, with a game this amazing, and a fanbase that loyal and passionate at their side.
I refuse to believe someone truly enjoy sitting still spam right-click for 10 minute straigth. That’s a bad faith argument.
But if you ‘loved’ that… now imagine that experience for every single quest… everywhere you go… some camps in redridge-westfall-duskwood can be cleared by a single person WAY faster than respawn time… a SINGLE person… now imagine 100 people sitting in line for it.
if I wanted a waiting queue simulator, I wouldn’t be playing wow.