You’d be surprised, I loved the vengeance days of MoP, topping dps meters in raids as a BDK.
Then WoD prepatch came out and I tried to soak an Annihilation as it was habbit for me to get that extra attack power… it 1 shotted me. I was sad 
+2ed a 14 UR this week with a DH tank
tdev did about 20% of his damage overall. he was rocking a blue piece with it even.
i never had a veng tank and it was pretty ridiculous. only a 14 and tyran trash was getting deleted but he nearly beat WW overall.
Mythic geared dps btw
https://clips.twitch.tv/SmokyZealousDumplingsCopyThis
Tank is the Red guy on the damage meters.
His DPS was like that the entire way through.
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I mean, yes, but back then that was you. You taking that damage to build the stacks and your abilities then dealing out the damage.
This is just your attacks have a chance to randomly delete whatevers Infront of you.
I’m all for relevant tank damage, but there’s a way to do it.
My how this thread has changed. It went from a general “buttons don’t matter anymore!” to a very narrow “some tanks with double stack TD can do lots of dps!”
Isn’t that the same thing? A tank with a random proc, can annhilate mythic geared dps? What even is your argument…?
It isn’t like I did anything very different from what I was used to doing… Even now I kind of tend to get lazy as a self healing tank and just self heal through stuff I should have moved for.
At least the frost bolts are direct damage and not random procs, I.e. the mage knows the damage came from him not some weird, random external force.
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I finished a 13 FH on my arcane mage last night with 78k deeps for the run. He has one corruption. Rank 3 void eruption on a 445 piece. I’m not threatened by tank dps. In fact I welcome it.
L2P?
Edit: oh yeah, the enhancement shaman finished at 85k… lol
What…?
I don’t mind tank dps. This…isn’t a tank doing anything other then having a random proc go off and murder everything. That’s what the thread is about. Random procs devaluing skill in dpsing. A tank isn’t supposed to be 4th dps in a mythic + because he AH’d BIS corruption.
Do you know what the suggested meta is for m+ tournament now? 4 tanks stacking Twilight Devestation and a healer…
Just look at this absurdity… 170k dps pulls…by the tank.
This guy would be wrecking your 78k arcane mage mate. A tank for christs sakes…
https://clips.twitch.tv/JazzyResourcefulTrollOSfrog
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Currently my character has 2 damage proc trinkets, procs on azerite, breath minor, CLF major, appendages, and infinite stars. That alongside pots is about 40% of my single target sustained dps.
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/yawn freehold is like the easiest dungeon to max your numbers on because of the amount of trash. As long as you have a good tank pulling fast, everyone should pull high numbers there.
IF you’re going to make an argument, you shouldn’t pick only the best examples of your point. Dungeons vary greatly from one another. You need to talk about averages here across all the dungeons. While you’re at it, you need to also leave consideration for affixes.
Hey have you all played Outlaw Rogue
Our very rotation is RNG, and it’s extreme RNG: Roll The Bones is easily the most frustrating part of any rotation I’ve ever done because the difference between buffs can make a huge difference in DPS
Running dry on Sinister Strike procs slows down the rotation and DPS dramatically, and the spec ranges from being fast paced and amazing to slow and mediocre, and it’s all on RNG
While I’d say Outlaw is the worst in this regard, just about every spec (Fury needs Enrage, Ice needs Brain Freeze) relies on procs to play their best, the one exception I can think of right away is Arcane Mage, where the only proc you really care about is Clearcasting and it has an increased chance the lower your mana is
While gear certainly has gone RNG fiesta (A person with corruptions vs. a person without is a very, very huge difference), it’s not just the gear, it’s the very design of the classes
I wouldn’t mind some more, y’know, stable classes where you have a baseline and then can throw in some exciting procs
(Like having Slice and Dice be baseline instead of RtB and y’know not be bad)
And today, Preach should have his account banned. He broke the T&C’s of his agreement with Blizzard.
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I definitely do sympathise with the insane variance of outlaw, but at least that’s something you’re controlling by rolling for your buffs and opting to delay / optimise cooldowns around those buffs.
Outlaw needs the variance toned down though, hard agree. But its still at least something youve got the ability to play around.
Family members are exempt from that ruling. It’s pretty explicitly stated.
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I wouldn’t listen to the exploiter anyway, but:
Of course a mythic geared character is going to blow lfr players out of the water.
It’s worth getting the context of the whole thing, demonsong left quite a lot of stuff out. The point wasn’t to show that they still out dpsed LFR players, it was more see how much damage his wife could still do with his character, in some rough raid environment, despite having absolutely no idea how to play it.
Also since it was done on stream, there were people trying to queue into the LFR run who not otherwise touch LFR content, because they were fans, many of them tried, and many of them were still beaten.
I get people like to bandwagon content creators and personalities, and I get a lot of people don’t like those content creators or personalities for things they’ve previously done or said. But detached from who made it, this is still one well highlighted example of a problem within the design of corruption, and BFA’s gear systems as a whole.
One I’d very much like to see fixed in Shadowlands.
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That’s why I like playing fire Mage, your damage is poopoo unless you get your combust window right. 
Basically what Hpellipsis said. We have so many procs upon procs upon procs… How much damage I due varies drastically from pull to pull despite doing the exact same thing. And with corruption? It’s even more variable. Particularly when you take talents like infinite stars, the mind flay tentacle, and twilight devastation.
If you want a good example of this without those procs though… compare blaster master (fire mage azerite trait) to overwhelming power (generic azerite trait).
I have complete control over blaster master. I can use it well, or I can use it poorly. I can try to game it and take chances to obtain higher outputs, or I can play conservatively with it. It’s completely under my control.
Compare that to overwhelming power. It’s completely out of my control. I have no idea when it will proc, and as such it plays almost zero role in changing my decisions based on the fight dynamics. This means that some pulls… it lines up during my combustion window effectively giving me lust during combustion and massively increasing my output. Other pulls… it procs after combustion and my damage is middling.
Which of those procs do I prefer? Obviously Blaster Master… Even though overwhelming power is sooooo powerful… I’d much rather have the proc under my control, so that I can increase my damage (or mess up and decrease it) on my own dime.
Now should everything be that way and completely under our control? No of course not. There should be some RNG in the rotation as that’s what puts spice into it. It’s just that with corruption effects… the RNG (like most instances of RNG in BfA and Legion) is just on a whole different level. Where I see swings of 5-15k dps despite doing almost the exact same thing…
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