Those are your words, not mine. I have no problem at all with Tyrande’s actions, but I find it fascinating that her hatred is acceptable … but Rah’s one comment is not. Despite both being leaders of Genocide Survivors. Why the different approach? Or should I also be demanding that Tyrande gets villain batted here to even things out? Or is that inappropriate because she’s an NE?
The very fact you are reacting this way to the suggestion that the Alliance simply be allowed to act on their thousands of grievences without a Horde member being villain batted to instigate them … says alot. Even with me trying to bridge the gap of “Framing” Rah or Belmont, rather than actually villain batting them. Morality should never be portrayed as a Black and White … there is a spectrum. And flaws should never be portrayed as only negatives, or an excuse for evil, like they clearly do in current Blizz writing. And as much as the Alliance players might enjoy their flawless veneer, maintaining it has been increasingly destructive.
I’m honestly worried about how personally you have taken an open forum opinion about a fictional character, and it’s made worse over how many times you’re just repeating yourself over, and over.
You understand the Lightbound are Draenei from another planet right? Oh, wait you don’t. People are demanding Tyrande die to the villain bat. They’’ve claimed she’s wrong for even wanting, or seeking revenge. You wanna despute that?
Has Tyrande even been allowed to return fire to the Horde? No. Anduin? Are you kidding me? Genn, no. Jaina. BfD? Wow, I think the Horde actually gained something from that one… Made a lot of sense in the moment. Wouldn’t make sense now…
I don’t mind that they do this for goodness sake. I mind that you seem adamant that in order for them to have the excuse to, it requires the villain batting of another Horde character. And a genocide survivor like Tyrande. Truly ask yourself why this is a requirement for the Alliance to finally be allowed to act on thousands of justified and valid grievences against the Horde? Why must the poltically weakest Horde Council rep, leading the most destitute and devistated Horde group, be forced to endanger their allies and their people just to give the Alliance a reason … to act on their reasons?
Truly? Ask yourself why even just the “framing” of Geya’rah (with her not actually being responsible, but the Alliance not knowing that when reacting to what she was blamed for) is insufficient?
Why was Anduin better suited to represent the Alliance at Orgrimmar, then Genn? Can you tear yourself away from the argument you’re having with yourself to answer that one?
I suppose because Anduin better represents that picturesque flawless shine that many Alliance players seem to revel in than Genn. Frankly, I’m starting to wonder if he isn’t the perfect representative of the Faction these days? And I don’t care that Anduin was there in Org. Stop bringing up points from other posters to counter my question to you. You, who insists that there has to be a Horde catalyst for the Alliance to have an excuse to act on their thousands of reasons? Why is it necessary to genuinely villain bat Geya’rah Vuld? When you yourself admit that the Alliance has plenty of reasons to want to hit the Horde?
You, who are adamant about villain batting Geya’rah, must explain to me why it is necessary if the point is to simply allow the Alliance to find resolution to their unresolved grievances and wounds against the Horde? To act against us? To finally hit us back? Because as far as I can tell, it only serves one purpose. To let the Alliance hit the Horde, while also maintaining that moral absolutist power fantasy.
I haven’t insisted on that, you’re still reeling from a valid suggestion I made literally 7 days ago today. Wake up, snap out of it.
Genn wasn’t allowed to go into Orgrimmar, because OBVIOUSLY you would be leading the charge on the Blizzard development building. Him actually do something that makes sense would have rocked you to the core. Instead you need a bleached, unpredictable reaction from any Alliance character you see fit, including Tyrande as you alluded to before, so you can actually be the one to revel in absolutism, and justify the next genocide, until it blows up in your face, and you flip out again.
Sure sure, whatever. I’ve repeatedly stated I have no problem in the slightest if Blizz allows the Alliance to act on their more than justified aggression. So long as they don’t coddle and whitewash them like they’re so apt to do. Let them get some punches in man, I just expect the same proportionate amount of Plot Armor for our reps as the Alliance gets for theirs whenever we get hit with the aggressor role. There would be little point in an aggressor Alliance story for the Horde if our ever depleting character roster is expected to die both when we’re the aggressors AND the defenders. We need a chance to build up. If that plot armor takes the shape of our reps just surviving and escaping their encounters with the Alliance demigods (most of which are off world atm, so far less of a problem with that for now) so be it.
No need to bring Geya’rah into this little mixup. Just let the Alliance motives … motivate them.
No, I could bring her into if I wanted to answer a question, you’re just looney about suppression, and have control issues.
It’s cute how the Alliance can’t even fight back on our own terms, almost makes it seem like that’s the problem. Why even take an act of aggression, when a Genn could have just spit in someone’s face, after all he’s been accused of everything under the sun before by the Horde playerbase, and story. It only looked bad for them when his enemy abandoned them.
Gelbin should pinch Geya’rah’s head off with a wrench, and the Horde should get mad over the font of his apology letter to Baine. That should redeem the Horde for Driote.
Yes, yes. You’re an edgy Alliance player who wants to have your cake and eat it too. Got it. Gotta have that feeling of being all powerful and all good otherwise you might fringe a little too close to nuanced story telling. Can’t have that now can we? At least you don’t even pretend your demands will in any way benefit the Horde or its story. But come entirely at the expense. More power to you for the honesty.
That’s more than I can say for some Ally posters here.
Genn being a big meanie to you guys wasn’t even acceptable. Horde posters justified Sylvanas with it in game, and the story characters did as well. Both have also demonized Tyrande.
I’m not sure you could make any larger virtue signaling posts then you’ve been making, but keep considering me to be edgy, I got like a week deep in you.
Why were the Horde mad about Genn stopping the big bad of this expansion with her Soul Cage in Stormheim? Was it because you were afraid he already had enough spotlight because he was at Broken Shore? Lol
I suppose because Anduin better represents that picturesque flawless shine that many Alliance players seem to revel in than Genn.
Glad you agree with what I said earlier as well. The Horde love getting to say Boy King, until it’s Boy King, stomping around in my capitol. The only one reveling in moral absolutism is you, and your ilk.
So, are we done conflating me with “All Horde posters now”, or you need to vent incoherently some more? Because I’ve been pissed that Sylvie was made Warchief back in Legion, since I figured after Stormheim she was settup to do some nonsense like this. And I could give a crap if that geriatric old Wolf gets to relive his glory years for a bit against some nameless Horde. Let him at it, he’s got the motive to.
As for why were “mad” about Genn stopping Sylvanas? Simple, because he neither before or after knew really what she was up to. He got lucky, but his and Roger’s use of Alliance resources in an attempted assassination against the Horde’s new Warchief … like all Alliance “grey” … was whitewashed and handwaved away so much that even the Horde was not allowed to react to it. Let alone actual consequences stemming from it. Its just “we get to assassinate your leader any time we want, even during a full on Legion invasion … and we’re the Alliance so we’re proven right in doing it. Totally absolved, even by the Horde”.
Except it wasn’t absolved at all. Your favorite Warchief kinda mentioned it, and then the death march to Teldrassil began. Even this schtick that it’s a war crime, either care about it or don’t. You don’t want him to care about the Alliance’s faction leader dying for a reason. Wonder what that might be? Oh yeah, you love the boy king.
It took you probably twenty posts before, idk what clicked, and you realized you were having an argument with yourself about Geya’rah. In this last post, you’re clear as a bell over your position that Broken Shore was just the Horde looking out for itself one way or the other, you’re mad -because- Genn didn’t just hurt no names. Which btw. You’d be mad about that too.
Our Warchief never once mentions it actually. Outside of Stormheim itself, while we’re “battling Greymane’s forces”. Saurfang offhandedly thinks of Anduin’s lack of reaction as validity to Sylvanas’ argument that Anduin is too weak (or too complicit) to resist the calls to war by Genn and Tyrande (who were actually trying to pressure him into War). That is, by in large, the only consequence to their attempted assassination of a World Leader during a Legion Invasion. The deciding vote on whether Sylvanas’ argument had merit for Saurfang. Which, yeah, she had a pretty good point there honestly.
But … why am I bothering. You are both an Alliance player that has proven they revel in the factions moral absolutism (thus, any talk at all of even tempering that a bit is receaved as prospective “villain batting”). You also clearly have come on these subs with a massive chip on your shoulder about Horde players. Though, it seems to stem from prior arguments you’ve had with other Horde posters? Why you feel the need to thus post on a Horde Alt (rather than what I assume is either a Worgen or NE main) I have no idea?
Well, you also just validated a genocidal reaction to someone defending everyone. So you’re true to form Horde poster now. Why is everyone so hell bent that this isn’t my main? He has higher ilevel then your posting avatar here. Droite, if that is your real name.
More reveling in the Boy King, up until it spoils your fun. You’re bothering, because you’re obsessed, and this edge you keep alluding to cut you a week long. If you’re trying to claim I’m reveling in moral absolutism wanting Genn to start something, that doesn’t involve genocide, why are you then explaining your characters nodding their head to the warchief that bounces out?
It seems to seems to stem from prior arguments? You’ve been losing it for a week.
I made the argument that Saurfang using Anduin’s lack of reaction to Stormheim as whether Sylvanas had a point in why the War was necessary has a point. I am not validating her genocidal activities. Because yeah, Anduin’s total lack of response to Genn and Rogers attempting to assassinate the Horde’s new leader suggests he was either A: Too weak to; or B) Complicit in that attack. And either way it would mean that he would be too weak to resist the calls to pre-emptively attack the Horde coming from the Alliance Hawks. Which Tyrande and Genn actually were doing. They were pressuring Anduin to attack the Horde.
And no, I’m claiming you revel in moral absolutism wanting Genn to start something and Blizz ensuring that he’s totally validated and insulated from that act. You, like a few other Alliance players on here, only want to wail on the Horde … but to have that flawless moral integrity remain intact. In short, what you want is the Moral Absolutism working in tandem with and Absolute Power Fantasy like the Alliance had in Legion. Rather than those two absolutes working in opposition like they did in BfA.