So because people aren’t in agreement, it’s better to do nothing. Great attitude. Real go getter. That’s sure to fix things.
Well i’m sure all of us can agree that something is a whole lot more than nothing, at least.
What a waste of time. If your intent was to erode my sympathy for the Horde’s plight, you managed that at least.
Yes I’m joking about Elder Scrolls: Oblivion.
Yeah. It would show them actually making amends for what they did and I would be content with that. 
Great adding to OP in a bit.
Where in any of my posts did I say the Horde would do nothing?
See above.
You’re as bad as the NEFPA with that perpetual victim card you keep flashing.
“It doesn’t satisfy me therefore it’s the same as doing nothing and doesn’t count.”
I haven’t finished the proposal but you’ve already judged it inefficient to meet your demands for decisions Horde players had no say in.
I don’t even know why you’re in this thread besides to continually voice your displeasure at the players who, again, had no say in creating the problems you have with the story.
A question on this, how would you best want this to be portrayed?
Assuming that this is beyond Blizzard’s ability to update the world afterwards how would they go about doing this?
I mean it can be potrayed via phasing and quest text and maybe a short story on the forums to fill in the gaps. Doesn’t need to be extravagant or anything. Just needs to be done
As if then there were no consequences. Otherwise it will be “Loktar Ogar!” And right behind him is a legion of farm laborers. And healers.
Everyone is beaten up. But we rebuilt everything for you! And cured! You didn’t even die, you just suffered a lot.
“Do you mind dying?” asks the priestess of Elune to the laborer (the laborer has just finished building the house). A knife is stuck in the laborer’s stomach. “Okay. Thanks for the lodging and the slaves,” she tells the overseer. A knife sticks out of the guard’s stomach. “We will not forget your contribution to the redemption of the Horde. Die”.
I guess this is just a rehash of things I’ve already said, but maybe it’s been awhile since I said it, but:
Screeching at each other accomplishes nothing. In fact, the story writers WANT us screeching at each other because they think that means we’re ‘engaged with the story’. Also, they know every screech we aim at each other is a screech not aimed at them, where it belongs. They want us at each other’s throats for things WE DIDN’T DO AND HAD NO SAY IN just as long as we’re not at theirs’.
The Horde cannot atone, make amends, or be redeemed at this point. Not ever. Not for anything. Anything they DO do to try will NEVER be enough, not ever. It really is a total waste of time to even try.
The writers drove the WCIII Horde narrative off a cliff at 100 miles an hour, and they did so going “WHEEEEEEEE THIS IS AWESOME AND EVERYONE WILL LOVE IT WE ARE SOOOO SMART TO BE DOING THIS THING WE ARE DOING RIGHT NOW!!” then stood around the flaming wreckage at the bottom of the cliff like a herd of Surprised Pikachus.
The Horde are forever the faction of bloodthirsty morons and can never be anything else. It this point it might honestly be better for them to really and truly embrace being black Comedy villains who constantly ####, kill and eat children with a smile on their faces than even bother trying to be good, since they the writers just don’t seem capable of the slightest sliver of moral nuance.
And because the 4th War (which is actually the 5th war, because the Wrathgate-to-SoO was the 4th war but the writers are also apparently too dumb to do math either at this point) was merely the latest in a long line of pointless atrocities committed by the Horde against the Alliance that in-universe there is no reason whatsoever for the Alliance to trust any member of the Horde ever again and not want to just destroy it completely for 100% logical reasons.
At this point the Horde only exists at all completely for artificial out-of-universe game balance reasons.
I don’t know if you read my previous posts on the subject of rebuilding, but I certainly wouldn’t mind having stuff like this be done.
In general, I’m just hopeful that there can be some more cross faction interaction during the Armistice in general. I think there’s a lot of room for Horde and Alliance to develop post BFA, and some peaceful interactions would go a long way to showing that the factions can peacefully interact outside of world ending threats. (Though I’m also in favor of factions / groups being more complex in general with more subfactions of varying thought all around)
Because you have completely and utterly shut down any suggestion that involves the Horde directly doing something for the Alliance. Every. Single. One. That gives me an idea of what your proposal involves. But fine, surprise me. I’ll wait with bated breath to see what your suggestion is.
No, but they seem hell-bent to shut down any and all suggestions involving fixing them, no matter what I propose.
I’d say working to restore the Night elves homes would be one, and perhaps ensure Gilneas is open for resettlement.
Well, helping with the previous mentioned would be enough for me. But if we want to go big, why not have Horde champions, perhaps Thrall as well, help ressurect the fallen somehow. We’re in the land of the dead, after all. I know, it’s far fetched, but still.
Well if these things are done, i’d imagine relations would improve massively, and the Night elves would see things as settled. But that’s just from my perspective.
I agree and I think it would go a long way to easing tensions between the players themselves, since so often what we personally want is radically different from everyone else.
I’m curious, if you had to think of a few crossfaction interactions that were peaceful (or at least working together against another threat) what would you come up with? (I have my own ideas, but I’d like to hear yours first)
I agree. That’s why I formatted my main post the way I did.
Screeching allows you to highlight the main groups of desires and discontent. As well as unacceptable solutions. Probably.
Personally, and mind you I’m extremely biased here, but I can picture say a Orc Shaman and a Worgen teaching each other about their religions or different ways of life and why they act the way they do.
Forsaken and humans trading goods and generally trying to making amends after years of hostility, gnomes and goblins working together to improve on their designs.
You know, wholesome stuff. Show that there are kind and caring people on both sides who don’t want to get involved in politics.
But what about radicals? Who want to take revenge and are even willing to suffer and die for it? Usually these are those whose loved ones have died, they have “nothing to lose.”
Those are good ideas, and I would add a few as well.
I’d like to see some cities (if they ever get put out of stasis) become open to the opposite faction. [I’m also extremely biased here]
I could see Suramar and Highmountain, while still both being full on Horde cities, allowing the Alliance to enter the cities as individuals / traders. Certain areas would still be prohibited (No going into say sensitive military locations, etc) but otherwise, there would be more open areas in general.
In a similar vein, if the Crossroads were ever expanded (as I feel they should be given how central they are along major Horde trade routes) I could see that area being open to Alliance traders as well (coming through Ratchet)
I’d also like to see some more odd-couple pairings. Like the Forsaken and Mechagnomes getting along as they both talk shop about physical modifications, and augmentations. A Forsaken Abomination Stitcher, and a Mechagnome augmentation specialist finding similar interests just amuses me.
In general, I feel that each faction has a large number of civilians that are just… regular fantasy people trying to get through their regular lives. Not to mention each group having a far larger population than is shown in game (due to the natural limitations of a scaled down game world). Showing more of these civilians only helps to better flesh out the races. I think this is especially important for the Horde, largely due to the fact that as the more non-traditional collection of races, there is more of a natural onus on fleshing out their people to draw attention to how the Warcraft versions of these races differ from other popular media. An issue, for example, Humans and Dwarves rarely suffer from.
I guess a vast majority of my aggravation comes from the nonsense statements that people make like Blizz hates the horde so much and I’m sitting here thinking of all the worgen, Draenei, gnome, dwarf and kaldorei players whose favorite race are nothing more than a minor side show in the very human centric and dominated alliance.
It’s not hatred guys, blizz is just incapable of writing anything that isn’t orc vs human
The Horde playerbase doesn’t want redemption and the Horde will be irredeemable until that changes.