I might forgive a lot if I can be a bug boy
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Praying mantis have vaguely terrified me ever since I learned they eat humming bird brains. .___.
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I’m willing to give Dalaran to the Alliance, they essentially already are.
Silver Hand too, Argents and whatnot Cenarion Circle as well. Throw in Halls of Valor for good measure since Odyn prefers Titan-derived races. Tirisgarde is Dalaran’s secret Council too.
Horde gets: Ebon Blade, Earthen Ring, Black Harvest, Cult of Forgotten Shadows, and the Unseen Path.
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The one I feel is somewhat unfair but it’s really hard to split up because it’s basically kaldorei empire 2.0 in canon (like hunter campaign straight up establishes that besides rando adventurers its core orgs are the three elf ranger orders) to the point that it implies night and high elves remained in touch post exile.
If one class hall campaign above all made the writing for BfA look supremely stupid it was Hunter, tbh
Nature crazy like that. I used to catch them out in my yard when I was a kid with my dad, so I’m pretty partial to them. Very docile with humans.
Also, Blizz did a fantastic job of crafting their culture in the Dread Wastes/Klaxxi Arc and Kil’ruk’s short story. Immediately endeared the guys to me. They really stick out compared to all the other ‘evil’ races we end up dealing with.
I only half joke about them being an entry point into the Void expac for the Horde. I’ve spoken at length in the past about how they fit the Horde oddly well. Their warrior mentality isn’t too out of step with the Orcs or even the Trolls. Their acceptance and utilizations of poisons and explosives are loves shared by the Goblins and Forsaken. I really could go on, but they really don’t redeem the Horde in any way (Other than in my heart).
They certainly help rebuild it though!
EDIT: Something from a Mantid scenario recruitment scenario I work on on and off.
Vor: It was not the only time Mantid stood side by side with the Horde. We have not forgotten this Wakener’s help in saving us from Shek’zeer’s grip. From Fear itself.
Vor: We were fools. So fanatical were we to the Old Ones, that we refused to see that it was their influence that doomed our Empress. Corrupted our sacred Kypari…
Vor: It was our tales of glory that inspired Shek’zara to listen to the whispers of N’zoth, dooming our land and people further to darkness.
Vor: Now… I see the truth. We have a home, a way of life, and things we hold dear to us. Things we fight for. The Old Ones are mighty, but they cared not for us nor our ways. They would have tortured and corrupted them… Just as they did to our precious Kypari. Because of them, our future is for the first time uncertain.
Vor: The Old Ones may always be a piece of our past, but it is our duty to carve our own future in this dark time. A future I believe we can share with your people.
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What’s particularly weird is that Liadrin started out as a semi-neutral character, remember? She was the leader of the Scryers back in BC, who welcomed PCs of both factions. (That was a mistake, but see Rivanon’s point above about how Liadrin was the Horde liaison for the Draenei.)
Then she wasn’t used much for several expansions until they dusted her off and did a Lillian Voss on her, replacing her former character with something completely different.
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I would like to split the Cenerion circle tbh. It began as a Kaldorei organization and anyone else being in it besides like, the Worgen, feels like they have been tacked on.
I would say Dalaran vs Suramar and Silvermoon you guys are actually doing really well on magic cities.
Nah it was founded by Highmountain Tauren and it’s in their territory
Hunters can have a cross-faction peace treaty while on the mountain though, no problems there, same with the other Class Halls
Just make Horde Druids part of Earthen Ring and make Alliance Shamans part of Cenarion Circle. It makes more sense to begin with since Horde Druids are due to Shamanism from the onset.
Boom, fixed.
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I missed having expansion factions that weren’t faction-locked, like, a lot.
Only blood elves and draenei had a bit more of an uphill climb to go to the other side’s designated faction and it’s a thing that would be more interesting than everyone being superpower loyalists for orcs/humans/undead humans
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I could get behind that, certainly. The line between the two practices can be a bit fuzzy as it is anyways.
I would say let the Thornspeakers remain independent, though. Drust druidism is quite distinct from Cenerion druidism after all, and they should get to keep their themes.
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lol
Tauren: Has hunter culture
Blizzard: I sleep
Tauren: Ancestor communicating culture
Blizzard: I sleep
Tauren: Leader is friends with Anduin
Blizzard: I awake
I think I’ll have to add a Tauren hunter association for my writeup. Maybe something where all the wayward tribes come together for bonding time and to share stories while on a great hunt.
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It’s really sad how consistently neglected Tauren are for an og horde race. Like, gnome levels of neglect.
Tauren need a proper hunter order given they’re one of the handful races that always had hunter.
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I wouldn’t mind Malfurion and Ulfar fighting over Life vs Death though, but yeah I’d actually rather the Gilnean Harvest Witches join the Kul Tiran Thornspeakers, or “double dip” in a sense.
I just wish it had been made canon Ulfar had been trained by the Winter Queen or something. But yes.
IRL there’s various annual meet-ups of regional indigenous tribes! We even have our own “olympic games”!
Look up the photos, they slap so hard.
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Oh heck yeah. I did look up the photos, they’re really awesome! I’ll keep it in mind.
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It will always kill me that we never got more info on Athair & Athainne. They are such an obvious Malorne and Elune parallel.
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At one point I had a theory that Athair was like, Malorne’s Brother, and Athainne was actually the Winter Queen in disguise, having come to Azeroth after finding out her sister gave birth to Cenarius
(also other theories involving Bwonsamdi and the Winter Queen, once lovers or something, but alas)
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I just want to point out due to multiple people misquoting me. I never suggested the Horde be banished or pushed off to Northrend. More the Horde chose to relocate itself. One to prevent further conflicts, two build a new home in a more sustainable environment and three a landmass they could fully claim for the horde.
It would only be well after the Horde had reestablished itself would the Alliance would come after them. giving both parties an expansion break from one another and getting focus on themselves.
It wouldn’t even need to be the whole horde but primarily orcs and forsaken. As they are the most in need of character development and building a new future.
The issues with your proposition remains the same.
The Blood Elves would rather die than abandon the Sunwell or Quel’thalas. It’s a non starter on that front.
Though the Tauren were originally nomads, that doesn’t mean the land they utilized wasn’t theirs. That’s the same as kicking the Night Elves off Kalimdor because they need to realize the Horde won’t punk them if they just leave. Stonetalon, Desolace, Mulgore, Thousand Needles, and the Barrens all mean something to them.
The Darkspear have created a third home for themselves and though it is small, it is theirs. They’ve bled for it and they’ve earned it.
The Orcs already did the whole relocation for penance thing. That’s how we got Orgrimmar. How does doing it again, but this time on tundra, fix anything?
The Forsaken are still the people of Lordaeron, though they may have been temporality forced to abandon it after the Siege of Lordaeron, they should have every opportunity to return.
What of the other Allied races? Should Zandalar and the Broken Isles be vacated as well for the Alliance’s convenience?
Northrend is part plagued wasteland, the rest already inhabited by locals, such as Gorlocs and Vrykul. What happens to them? Do the Blood Elves kick the Blue Dragons to the curb to snag the Nexus? Do the Darkspear slaughter the Frenzyheart and Oracles to claim Sholazar? Do the Vrykul just fist bump the Orcs and let them into Howling Fjord? Are the Earthen and Keepers in Ulduar going to let the Goblins strip mine Storm Peaks? There’s no space in Northrend for anything as substantial as you are proposing. What would our capital even be? Vengeance Landing, Warsong Hold, and Agmar’s Hammer are the current largest Horde settlements on the continent and all of those are insufficient to even begin to create one.
What of the Alliance forts and towns that dot the Borean Tundra, Howling Fjord, Grizzly Hills, and Dragonblight? Are those ALL abandoned?
I don’t see these potential stories you do. I truly don’t. Nor do I trust that they would be meaningful in a way that warrants upheaving everything we currently have just so the Alliance can have all our old stuff. I helped BUILD Orgrimmar back in WC3, why should I have to suddenly turn around and abandon it because of Blizz’s idiocy?
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Somehow I feel like they are only docile because we are too big to eat. Woe betide us if it is ever attack of the giant mantis.
I wanna thwap Thrall between his eyes for that one. He could of gone further south and the entire continent would of been a LOT more peaceful. his desire for orcish penance has translated into a perpetual conflict front in ashenvale because he thought it a bright idea to build a city in a place with basically no resources.
But yeah I agree, relocation isnt really the answer.
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I specifically think should be primarily orcs and forsaken with perhaps some outposts from other Horde races.
That is the thing though, there is some interesting possible stories there for the Horde. How does the horde and Vyrkul interact? Perhaps as they have similar cultures the have a begrudging respect for one another as they work together to hold off the feral scourge. Even if they do war there is no harm to either player faction.
Most of the blue dragons have already abandoned the nexus as per tides of war. Perhaps the few remaining blue dragons work along side them to investigate the tear into the arcane nexus.
Again possible story developments showing where the Alliance falters. Where the horde rather than butchering them show to be the bigger person and instead ships all people of them back to the alliance.
Yet it is no longer the Ogrimmar the player built, it was turned into a unsustainable monstrosity by Garrosh. The rivers are poisoned the land cannot grow crops and the city is a literal melting pot. Why not help build a new home more reminiscent of the old one.
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