Not really The hordes capital is still built right next door the the Night elves land and the same with the Goblins. Kalimdor isn’t as Isolated as northrend. The Alliance have attacked Ogrimmar a number of times openly because of its proximity to the elves and due to it launching attacks into night elven territory.
However all these new reps and old ones are simply being made horde mirror versions of alliance characters. Baine>Anduin, Thrall>Jaina, Velen>Calia and so on. Blizzard writers lack the diversity to write unique characters for the Horde so are just giving you variations of existing Alliance ones.
At this rate the Horde is just going to end up looking to Anduin as High king as well so he can lead us “all” against the void.
This is only the perception the Horde player base has, The Alliance players have been treated this way as well. The Alliance player base has had to sit through multiple defeats so the writers can illustrate how much of a threat the big bad is. Whether this be Theramore and Garrosh, Nethergarde and the Iron horde, Darkshire and the Legion and finally Teldrassil to Sylvanas. Yes the Horde has lost characters in these events as well generally to the villain bat the Alliance has been used as the punching bag by the writers to hype up their villains. This needs to stop as much as the villain batting of the Horde characters. Nothing worse than all these in game losses being shoved in the Alliance playerbases faces and all of our victories being given to us off screen in interviews or books that are never shown in game.
No, I’m pretty sure there are night elves currently living there. But most of the elves there have chosen to join the Horde. So, the Horde gets to use it becasue the elves who live there allow it. Are you proposing the Horde loses a player race or that the elves who live there don’t get to?
As you said, conflict will happen reguardless. It’s up to the writers to decide why it happens, no matter where the Horde lives.
How does the writers ability change by typing “Northrend” over “Kalimdor”?
I understand the Alliance fans have also taken hits. This is why I’m not advocating for the Alliance fans to take more, future hits. Only that the Horde fans stop taking hits. My position here, is for the Horde not to take new hits. Not for the Alliance to start getting new hits.
Yes it will happen regardless. However one is right on the Alliance doorstep where the Horde have turned into a giant warmachine that has launched multiple invasions against them. The Other being on the other side of the ocean that isn’t close to any Alliance and isn’t a threat to them.
That makes any by the Alliance to come after the Horde as far more aggressive than us simply attack Ogrimmar again for the umpteenth time.
Even if its not Northrend and Ogrimmar is moved to the other side of Kalimdor to somewhere like Ungoro would be far better. As it shows the Horde trying to deescalate Hostilities by moving their home.
Well this is a kind of tricky because the current writers can’t seem to step away from particular character archetypes. However by developing in new zones far away from alliance characters and them only interacting with Horde they will atleast come across as independent from the Alliance counterparts.
That is an impossibility, This is a game about war and big villains so someone needs to take a hit the story can’t stay static as it is as that is far worse than the writers blowing up another alliance city. The Horde shouldn’t lose any more characters to the villain bat. The alliance shouldn’t lose any cities or towns to villains.
Alot of Horde fans(not you) want the Alliance to be hit with the villain bat but this would mean the Alliance striking hard at the Horde and destroying something of there’s. Are Horde fans willing to give up somewhere like the crossroads? Silvermoon? Ogrimmar? just so they can bring the Alliance can be the villain for one expac. Or do we try to get the Horde back to a level where they are trying to do right by the rest of Azeroth.
… I want you know that I mostly find you pretty reasonable but I HATEHATEHATEHATEHATEHATE your constant suggestions that the solution to the Horde problem is just to ship them off to another continent. It always make me grind my teeth every time I see it.
It’s been done, and it failed.
-And I want to make it clear that I do NOT believe this is intentional on your part- It smacks of real world comments about how things would just be alright of ‘those people’ “Went back to Afr- oh, the Middle Ea- oh some island off in the middle of nowhere. So us decent people could finally live our perfect lives without them around.”
My issue is that it serves no purpose for the fans. Aggression will happen, regardless. The only choice here, is how much the Horde fans have to continue to lose as it happens. I’m in favor of it being as little as possible.
Look I get that people can hate my idea and its clearly not the complete solution to resolve the issues with the Horde but the only other solution is that I see is that the Alliance never stops wanting to destroy the Horde because they are unwilling to change or give up what they have taken.
The redemption of the Horde isn’t simply going to happen because the Horde player base thinks nothing can be done about it so they should just ignore that part of the story.
It didn’t fail though, people look back fondly on the Horde of warcraft 3 and want to get back to that state. Its the current writing that has ruined it which is why it needs to be done again but better.
I don’t mix my arguments with real world politics they have nothing in common with Warcraft. I’ve also stated I would expect that the Alliance would actually have problems after the Horde would leave. Allowing for the Alliance to organically to be developed as a proper protagonist for the Horde player base. Rather than “Boom, Xe’ra shows up now alliance bad racist light followers”.
Since when? And yeah members of the cenarion circle members makes it that cenarion circle was fighting for the Alliance.
Just as we saw the other organization.
It would actually but Blizzard at least did not make the Horde members of the CC gleefully throwing toxins and destroying night elf lands. That would have made it really awkward if these individuals decided to return to Night Haven or Hyjal.
Since individual members are currently trying to kill each other then going forward they shouldn’t work together anymore collaboratively.
So let’s start over. The night elves gave the Horde the ability to use Azshara in exchange for non-aggression from the Horde. Who uses Azshara if “factions go forward” (don’t understand the meaning of this expression)?
To add a point of clarification to an argument that seems to be going on here –
The Horde did not “deliberately settle right next to the Alliance” or anything. They had no idea the Night Elves were there when they came to Kalimdor to settle. Moreover, the Night Elves weren’t Alliance at the time of the city’s founding, either.
The idea to ship the Horde off to Northrend is a terrible, terrible take.
No they wouldn’t. Truly, Blizz has written them into being such an absurdly passive, reactive entity (shackled by their own Moral Purity Test) that the only result in the Horde being “gone” is Blizz would think up some other outside force to act on them. In fact, why do you think the Horde has to be SO grey and SO flawed? Were Blizz constantly forces them to act without means or motive; and only forced opportunity? To the point where Blizz actually subtly defaulted to Good Race/Bad Race trops to justify many things done by the Horde in BfA? It can’t possibly be because they feel more freedom to do what whatever they want with the Horde, because the Alliance has been built into such an infallible pedestal they can’t have things like Flaws or Grey? Which is why Blizz is real quick with the whitewashing whenever they fringe on either?
Also, unfortunately, because which RW Cultural Inspirations (Hollywood Brand) Blizz put into the races of the Horde, and which RW Cultural Inspirations (Again, Hollywood Brand) Blizz put into the Alliance, its hard to escape the uncomfortable nature of your “relocation to reservations” suggestion. Like it or not, that is the corner Blizz wrote themselves here. With the deeply Euro-Inspired Races of the Alliance being portrayed as nearly flawless and innately good; and the Non Euro-Inspired Races of the Horde as being deeply flawed and inherently prone to evil. Hell, that doesn’t even get into the weirdness that the Alliance are oversaturated with Races “born to privilege”, and the Horde has 5 races with cultural histories as slave races.
That always bothered me. And believe me, those who know me on here, know how much I absolutely loathe how Morally Righteous and So Lawfully Good we’re stupid the alliance is.
It’s not nearly as fun as certain alliance posters think it is or trying to convince everyone else it is.
