I can suggest another loss: the death of the entire older generation of the Horde. Thus, only the innocent will remain in the Horde. Creepy, huh? But then there is no need to move.
I really don’t understand this push to throw the horde in Azeroth’s frozen toilet bowl as a repentance thing. This maneuver was the whole point of them arriving in Kalimdor in Warcraft 3 and the horde was written to be Megapoo in WoW anyway. Trying to do it again just reintroduces the same excuse used to start the Cataclysm war while also NOT being able to benefit from having any form of moral fresh start that came with the game’s initial launch.
This includes the entire horde playerbase though, except maybe Vulpera alts. Even them I’m not sure about, since they were supposedly moving arms in Vol’dun during the war.
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We will spare them as “heroes of Azeroth”.
However, why spare? There will be some “successor”, fan or relative of the Voice of the Horde, who will inherit the clothes, bags and bank account. Only titles won’t transfer. And reputation.
And emotional investment.
This idea has the same issue of not providing Horde fans any sort of win in it’s end goal. It just adds to the crap legacy of the Horde. In vanilla, kalimdor was the solution. The warmongerers were relegated to another Horde that we foght. The old vets that were left (Saurfang) were intent on making sure the Horde didin’t become the new Horde. Then the Alliance invaded their lands. The horde was justified in fighting. Then, the Horde was suddenly written to becoming the old Horde eliminating Kalimdor as a solution. Then the Horde was retroactivley written to be worse than even that. Killing off all old vets would leave the Horde in a worse position than when they had vets who were intent on making sure the Horde didn’t go back to it’s old ways. Besides, the PC is part of that old leadership.
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“Kill all Horde PC’s” sounds more like an Alliance fans wet dream than it does a solution for fans of both factions.
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It’s not a serious suggestion, it’s just narrative degeneracy.
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Nothing more than silly solutions to the long history of the Horde PK in a mass execution situation.
Would you like to take apart the walls of Orgrimmar?
I don’t really see any large scale change solutions here that make the game enjoyable to Horde fans. The Horde lore was written to retroactively make them worse than they ever were at the time. I wouldn’t wish that on Alliance fans. But that was the damage to the Horde. Having the Horde fans constantly trying to fight the same losing battle of trying to make it up to the alliance fans that theyve been subjected to for over a decade is tired. Horde fans don’t need to be the whipping boy anymore. Alliance fans don’t need to be retroactively rewritten to be evil either. The best I can think of that is fairest to both player bases is to just move on.
Walls, roads … Roads can’t be of high quality only in one direction, can they?
What do you mean by “move on”? To continue singing about how bad everything is with us and what stupid bosses who cannot solve the problem with a bad neighbor? Or “forget” the grievances and pretend that nothing (over the past 15-30 years) has happened?
I don’t mean “forget”. I do mean not to expect the Horde fans to be drastically responsible for the poor descisions of the writers.
I mean yeah this would work better as a new WOW 2 experience. There isn’t a easy solution to resolving the Horde story from where it is now because they have no core identity left as it has been ruined by years of bad writing.
I get this but the story won’t improve for either group unless blizzard spends the time and resources trying to resolve the issues. The story is a mess and the primary narrative has turned into a writer wank fest over their favorite characters.
Even if they do decide to just ignore everything that has happen in the past it doesn’t resolve the issue that the Horde has no where to grow and develop its self away from the Alliance into something other than a new red alliance.
Do you mean that Horde fans are not responsible for the decisions of the writers?
Or don’t you mean? Or was it some kind of hint?
I think the story would improve if the writers stopped trying to work on these specific issues becasue they’ve painted themselves into the corner of not giving themselves a solution that is pleasant for fans of both factions.
Moving away from the Alliance has been done. All the writers have to do is not shoehorn in aggression from the Horde. Kalimdor is still an isolated desert. If you want the Alliance to fracture and attack the Horde, attacking a hot desert is no different than attacking a frozen wasteland.
The Horde has the same opportunity for growth that the Alliance does. If a monarchy can work, a tribal chiefdom can work. If one person in charge is doomed to fail, then color shouldn’t matter.
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No hint. I mean that the Horde fans shouldn’t continue to be the whipping boy that the writers offer up the Alliance fans in their stead. Looking to give the Horde fans more losses to make the Alliance fans feel better is not something that should be pursued. There is no solution that will make up for the descisions the writers made. The only options are to continue to whip the Horde fans harder for Alliance strokes, or for each fan group to walk away with the lumps they currently have and make better descisions in the future rather than trying to make up for past descisions.
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M … Let’s say. But we will take Azshara for ourselves. Okay?
Giving both factions more wins that aren’t at the expense of the other would be my goal.
Azshara was already ours, we rented it to you. The price is the non-aggression of the Horde.
Interesting take. Are you speaking from an Alliance perspective or an elven one?
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Night elves. The rest of the Alliance is indifferent to me. Probably.
I mean, the same elves that owned their share of Azshara currently own it. Down to even a lot of the same individuals. Anybody who moved and want to move back might have a hard time making that case with the people that never moved.