New Durator? The nature of the game means that it won’t solve anything because conflict will be forced, … again… and it will be seen as the Horde’s very nature not being able to come up with a solution that appeases the Alliance. Horde fans are tired of pissing in the wind and the Alliance fans seem tired of hoping it will get results.
If there is no way to explain why both factions will to get along again then separate them. Cenarion Circle will become an Alliance only organization and Earth Mother Circle becomes a Horde only society.
Each working independently in preserving nature and it saves us the hassle of somehow explaining why both factions get along.
Apply this logic to every faction oriented neutral organization.
The Cenarion Circle as an organization has not done anything to the Horde. It stayed neutral.
While the Silver Hand we knew in Legion split in half, each returning to their respective factions. And the scarlet crusade went neutral.
Is the Earthen Ring the only neutral organization that could conceivably go horde? They always seemed like a knockoff-brand CC to me and I figured the only reason why they had any prominence at all was because of Thrall’s attempted world hero stint in Cataclysm.
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In a perfect world, heck yeah! But we see that Blizz has consistantly had their own reasons not to do this. it may be an issue of the reasources needed to create wholely seperate content for two entirely different factiobn. I t may be that they feel the conflict if paramount to the survival of the game. No matter what the reason(s) is/are, Blizz seems so intent on putting us exactlly where we currently are that they freely abolish long established lore, in order to justify it. e.g.: The Horde and Alliance were never truly at war, now they’re at “real” war. The Horde has been seperated on multiple fronts and Blizz feels that that isn’t enough to stop the conflict.
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New Durotar, sure at least it wouldn’t be named by the Night elves.
Of course the conflict will be forced again however atleast this way it will be the Alliance as the Aggressor and will be put in the role of attacking the Hordes home in lands that don’t belong to them.
Its not about fully satisfying the Alliance or its player base but it does give the Alliance room to rebuild itself and have its own stories that don’t rely on the Horde. Its about showing the Horde actually turning over a new leaf without relying on the old history and crimes. Again this is what the Horde did when they move to Kalimdor but the writers mistakes was having them commit all the same old crimes again(multiple times).
I see a new start for the Horde on northrend as a chance to have that experience of the Horde building amazing new cities and becoming the protectors in the North. I can imagine great stories that could be written about Horde expeditions into Azjol Nerub. About the tear into the realm of the Arcane in Borean tundra that the Blood elves could experiment on. Goblins playing around with titan Tech. so on and so on.
- Cult of Forgotten Shadow is traditionally Horde
- Black Harvest is definitely not Alliance-friendly (in terms of themes, a warlock faction is just more Horde), and second/third in command are Horde
- Unseen Path is originally a Tauren organization
- Depending on what happens to the Forsaken during Shadowlands, could see the Ebon Blade side with the Forsaken same way the Silver Hand proper sides with Alliance
The NE Druids along with the main leader of the Cenarion Circle Malfurion joined the Alliance in the Darkshore Warfront to defeat the Horde corrupting the forest.
Admittedly I forgot about the Black Harvest and Unseen Path. I guess I just mentally wrote off the Legion-introduced order halls as functionally nonexistent because Blizzard pulled some of them out of thin air.
Bolvar still leads the Ebon Blade, though. And he still has a huge Anduin attachment. I don’t see why he’d flip that organization horde.
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Will it though? Kalimdor was an isolated desert, the horde was shoehorned a reason to invade Alliance lands. Personally, I think it’s to late for the Alliance to be painted as the aggressor becasue anything they do will just be seen as justifed by the Hordes constant shoehorned aggression. I mean, even in vanilla when the Alliance was the aggressor into Horde lands, they were fine with it. Alliance being the aggressor means nothing becasue it has been done and it has meant nothing.
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Black Harvest is from MoP 
Unseen Path I’ll grant is pulled out of thin air, but also it’s a Highmountain organization vaguely tied to An’she too, so makes sense why we didn’t see it.
For now…
Malfurion was not the Main leader anymore. What your describing is simply the members of the cenarion circle aiding their factions individually.
Hamuul fighting for the horde alongside the trolls and taurej druids doesn’t mean the cenarion circle aided them
Its just the individually members who were allready in said factions aiding them. Same with many of the order halls.
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Oops, I forgot about the Black Harvest stuff. I even did that green fire thing back in MoP but I’m not really into warlocks so that whole event slipped my mind. God, that solo challenge drove me bonkers.
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Your not wrong, they alliance will always be seen as justified in attacking the Horde because of their past. It is about limiting that justification when the Horde have given up their homes and are actually shown to be doing some real good in Northrend.
At the same time as they Horde is doing this good I would expect that the Alliance will bicker and lose alot of the unification that it has. I would expect that their will be elements that would fight one another and start to lose some of that Moral superiority.
The Alliance in attempt to unify it self perhaps drives it self into a frenzy of blaming the Horde and goes after them.
Man it was a massive endorphin hit though when you did manage to complete it though. One of the most amazing challenges they ever put in wow.
I was in sub-LFR gear and, as far as I could tell, I did not have the DPS to beat Kanrethad unless I used a curse purification potion to double my fight time. My Chaos Bolts barely did more than half damage to the felhunters.
It wasn’t until I realized that the felhunter dispel range was effectively an 180 degree cone so I had to do this janky setup where I’d position the pitlord so that the add spawn point was in between it and me, so I could tag them with Rain of Fire and turn them to face me. Everything only clicked after that. But because the fight wasn’t meant to go on so long, I think I went through a couple more rounds of looping imps before I finally finished off the boss.
The kicker is that I don’t even use the damn title. I FOMOed myself. I should have at least waited for the 5.3 patch for more gear but I was stubborn and wanted to prove I could do it in the .1 patch instead. I remember feeling really stupid with myself for completing it, though.
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The Alliance doesn’t gain immunity and an all you can attack buffet just because of the past- not only in BfA but throughout the history both did very questionable things. So…yeah.
Trying to say they can do whatever they want and be justified is a bunch of B.S.
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That is the thing though, The Horde would be in the right then. They would be right in defending themselves as they have proven themselves to have changed. They could do this to protect Northrend from some dark intention of the Alliance take control of the scourge again and turn it on them, or something similar.
This way we get an expac where both factions rebuild and develop away from another and then they can properly develop a story where the Alliance starts to become the evil faction(aka army of light), this could be a win for the Horde as they build a thriving Nation in Northrend. Then we get the expansion where the Alliance comes after the Horde.
Going back to the thematics of vanilla is a nice idea. My biggest issue here is the Horde fans not having any wins. They start wars they are destined to lose > they have no moral highground > they lose all their lands. At least in vanilla, the Horde was starting fresh. If this is done in the same game, they’d be starting from a deficit that will never be repaid. I don’t really see any large scale change solutions here that make the game enjoyable to Horde fans. The Horde lore was written to retroactively make them worse than they ever were at the time. I wouldn’t wish that on Alliance fans. But that was the damage to the Horde. Having the Horde fans constantly trying to fight the same losing battle of trying to make it up to the alliance fans that theyve been subjected to for over a decade is tired. Horde fans don’t need to be the whipping boy anymore. Alliance fans don’t need to be retroactively rewritten to be evil either. The best I can think of that is fairest to both player bases is to just move on.
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Have the Horde ever lost their lands? Except for the Undercity.
The idea that’s being discussed is to have the Horde lose their lands in an attempt to show their change of ways in a Kalimdor 2.0 scenario.