The Horde owes alliance nothing and must have alliance neutral organization that more often than not include alliance racial leaders full cooperative to the Horde because its their narrative as you say.
- Alliance
- Neutral
Pick 1.
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No.
Malfurion. Leader of the Cenarion Circle.
Neutral.
Malfurion. Leader of the Night Elves.
Alliance.
See you are now asking for Malfurion to be a shared neutral character with no connection to the Alliance since apparently he can only be one thing.
Yeah. There is no such thing as
If they are Alliance they aren’t neutral.
Also, again where did anyone suggest this:
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Jaina was neutral while being the leader of the Kirin Tor.
Malfurion was and is neutral for being the Cenarion Circle leader.
Neutral organization members and leaders are also members of their respective factions.
When you ask for them to be involved in Horde content it has implications.
You are doing it right now.
Malfurion has never been neutral.
If you say so…
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I just pointed to him how those organization would transform from “Neutral” to “Alliance reps” with the change he demands… and in consequence ill equipped to deal with “Big Bad Evil” threats in any “neutral” capacity whatsoever.
Indeed for those expacs devs either continue with Covenant-esque formula (about people absolutely unrelated to the factions managing the logistics AND the narrative) OR they design a separate narrative path for each faction EVERY TIME and made them completely and absolutely uninvolved with each other, period.
Would the second case work better for the players? Most probably. Would the second case work better for Blizzard as a company? Probably NOT… it would mean doubling the resources (both double money and more important, halving the time) and this is not always seen as efficient by the executives in charge of big companies… especially when customers never want to pay the money that implies expending double the resources.
Omg I think I figured out why SL is being written the way it is… clever way to “involve but nor really” the factions in this BBE expac.
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If it is I imagine it was more coincidence than by design.
Very interesting how the Alliance version of this thread doesn’t have Horde players harrassing them about how they need to be villain bat so the Horde can get out of it’s narrative woes of being the default bad faction.
Would sure like to discourse with my fellow hordies about horde stuff without some blue coming in with bad faith one liners to distract everyone.
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All ima say
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Have you checked out post #1 and #4?
Any additional feedback? 
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I need to refresh myself on the points when I can sit down and really absorb the information. When I have something constructive, I will get back to you! 
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Take your time. I’m still working on the hypothetical narrative but the suggestions should be good for review.
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I agree 100% with you on that at certain condition. First, thank for adding the second part since you are letting the door open for race that didn’t had a powerfull fantasy back then to still do it now, compare to other alliance poster that just want the WC3 status quo which basically mean that only human and night elf can be strong.
Which lead to my second point which is that i have no problem which the first part of your post only if the horde are allow to do the second part of your post.
What i disagree with ( not toward you but toward many night elf poster here) is the concept of the night elf fantasy being the strongest and not just being strong. Being the strongest mean that no matter how the horde get stronger, many night elf fan still expect the night elf to be stronger…
Which is basically what happened in the WoT. The night elf didn’t necessary get that weaker since WC3 but the horde just got stronger. While its true that orc,tauren and darkspear got beat up alot since then, the horde added many other race to their rank. This is what could have made a huge different in the fight. The horde had many race which mean that they had more change to have one race who could deal with one specific strategy while the night elf didn’t had other race to cover up a weakness that they could have.
This all became even true when you consider the addition of the forsaken and goblin which aren’t strong in melee battle but are good at range and are the worst enemy for the living. Considering that the night elf biggest strength is the use of anything living around them, having forsaken blighting every thing including tree and goblin exploding and burning everything including tree while also having shredder for it is the worst possibly thing for the night elf.
Now someone might say that night elf could just go kill those two race. But this is exactly where having many race change everything as orc,tauren and troll could just make up for the goblin and forsaken weakness by protecting them of close combat.
So night elf losing to the horde doesn’t denying any fantasy of the night elf since it was , as many people said here, not even one full race against the whole horde.
P.S. Btw don’t worry Micah, this is not all pointing at you, i am just answering to a argument about the night elf fantasy that have been claim by many other night elf fan.
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Nah, I do think they take some risks with their “live” expacs… happened in Cata (where they learned their lesson about how much does it REALLY cost to duplicate content for TWO playerbases), happened in WoD (where they learned that cosmetics alone can´t perfectly replace poor gameplay content or last minute design changes that impact the aforementioned gameplay) and now in SL they seem to be testing how is the playerbase response when the story is focused in an unknown external threat (Jailor) and the logistics of the story managed by characters just as unknow for us (cause as much as “Nightborne” didn´t exist previous to Legion, they could be narratively linked to the Night Elves… but nothing links the actual Covenants and it´s leaders to the players and their factions apart from those “special cameos” like Kael´thas or Y´sera).
Let´s be fair, this has been done by like 3 or 4 recurrent posters. Most of the Alliance posters have been actually absent OR come to comment stuff different from “but MUH suffering has to be fixed FIRST OR ELSE!!!”.
Baal will remove the affections he could have had developed for me, but I like your suggestions WAAAY more (heck you even managed to give them Alliance that big punch WITHOUT involving any type of malice in their characters… they are still as disgustingly pristine as usual).
I wait with bated breath how your hypothetical will resolve AFTER the Horde basically loses more than half of their Kalimdor territory… If I could I´d like to suggest you put COLLABORATIVE EFFORT FROM ALL THE HORDE RACES as the key to sucessfully resolve their dilemma. Explot the strenghts here in the rebuilding process (so Elemental Shamanism in the case of Orcs and Spiritual Shamanism in the case of Tauren, for example. Belves acting more accepting of their shared blood with the Trolls and FINALLY accepting that Amani being troublesome for them doesn´t mean Zandalari nor any other Troll tribes are any less amazing allies -yes I´m serious… they have been fighting side to side with Trolls for more than a decade in the lore, and I´d appreciate if this interaction gets THE GOOD KIND of attention, not the “lolololol airhead tourist one” like it happened in Dazar´alor with the two Belf NPCs near the Great Seal).
I love how the Horde races can bicker like an old marriage but support themselves at the same time just like in “A Gopod War”. Forsaken, Elves, Goblins and Allied races NEED to integrate to the Holy triad of founders to the point MHP posters can´t continue with their “buut, buut!! the unly REAL Hurde is the primitive one!!”.
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… for now.
It’s a long one. Marathon, not a sprint.
Definitely, it’s why I suggested rolling Allied Races into core races. So, it’s not darkspear or Zandalari but Horde trolls, for example.
Omg, you devious man!!!
Now, more seriously: please have in mind how we Hordies have felt everytime Blizz gives us a “special treatment” with the villain bat, the idea is NOT to allienate Alliance players just to teach a lesson to some stubborn selfish posters.
As any good story should be, after all the really important and valuable things in life one gets with blood, sweat and tears -that´s what makes the stuff valuable in the first place: all that hard effort put to achieve the goals-.
If you need “a beta” I´ll be happy to provide in regards to Belf stuff. I´m sure other Horde posters will love to help you with suggestions too.
Excellent. Let´s put more light and make more obvious the “Band of Brothers” feel of the Horde.
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I did not mean to imply that. The fact that horde posters could be doing the same to the Alliance thread should be a message to the Alliance posters making trouble here. Of course that would mean they would have to be unaware of their behavior and be attempting to argue in good faith… Sad to say, it’s most likely deliberate what they’re doing.
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But ofc it´s deliberate.
I for certain will NOT participate in their thread but NOT because I disdain the effort put in creating it (as a matter of fact it´s a very loable initiative) but because as a Horde exclusive player it´s NOT my place to tell the Alliance players how to CONSTRUCTIVELY make their faction more appealing to them.
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Yup, and only post I made in that thread Zahir made (theatrically even on my Alliance alt I made to experience the BFA story), was exclusively productive desire I’d like to see for the races/themes I care about (Kul Tirans, Gilneans, Tidesages, Thornspeakers, Worgen)
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