Thank to Sarm i was able to retrieve the rest of my post so here it is:
Then you misjudge me as hell. I hated the faction war expansion from the Lordaeron battle cinematic. Then, i hated even more the concept of both faction losing a city just for a bad story. Then, i agree, i hoped that Teldrassil would have happen AFTER Undercity so we could at least have a reason to fight instead of being villain bat againg, like mostly every one outside of night elf player wanted. The alliance wanted to finally be the one that attack first instead of taking the hit first and the horde wanted to have a reason and not having to go trough Mop 2.0
Which is absolutely the same for near all of the horde player about Teldrassil. Only a few die hard forsaken fan were happy but that mostly it. The moment that Teldrassil happened signed the death being proud of our faction in a faction war expansion as we knew right away what that meant. Would teldrassil being second would make us happy about it? maybe. The same as Undercity being destroy and siege by night elf as a revenge would have been better for both. But it didn’t happy and now both side aren’t happy about it. Asking for one side to take a other it just for the other to be the only one happy about it is just egoist to a next level.
No. The night elf problem is a player one. As i point out, many other race have gone through as much without having any revenge. The only difference is that those wasn’t experience by the player. So the necessary vengeance for the night elf is a player one as it is being cause by the fact that they are playable. So is it fair to ask of the horde as a player to take a other hit just so the night elf player, and only the night elf player can have it better.
Wow story have no problem with genocide race not having resolution so please stop hiding being WoW story to ask for the horde player to take a hit for you, the night elf player.
I think you have the horde and alliance confused. in BfA the horde lost nearly every single engagement they were involved in, not only to the alliance but to non-alliance threats like the sethrak, the blood trolls, and even the uprising. Every single zone in bfa while leveling ended in the hordes defeat. The horde’s war campaign was completely invalidated by the alliance. Not only that, but blizzard actively shamed the entire horde playerbase throughout the first half of the expansion by constantly telling us how we are monsters. So we got the worst of all worlds, being showed as pathetically weak compared to the alliance and being irredemable monsters to boot.
blizzard had to bend over backwards and tie the alliance’s hands behind their backs and blindfold them to explain why they couldnt defeat the horde in one day, and even then the alliance were only SLIGHTLY stronger with blizzard purposely handicapping them against the horde.
In all seriousness, the horde never should have stood even the most remote chance against the alliance, and i say this as a longtime horde fan. because since wow has started the horde has been consistently been getting weaker and weaker while the alliance powerlevel has been sky rocketing for a decade. This has culminated into a horde roster of nobodies.
The alliance playerbase like to downplay Nathanos as “just a guy with a bow,” and yea he basically was, but he was still our second most powerful figure in the entire horde, that is how pathetically weak the entire horde has become. that he could become the #2 fighter on the horde whereas if he was on the alliance he would be somthing like #15 or something.
Excuse me? We rescued two dwarves, raised a Furbolg uprising and… That’s it? Well, we blew up boxes of supplies and stole a crusher. Took the wood. Burned your supply of Batran’s hair. Then we left.
Where’s the Horde exile?
That’s only because they forget to include anyone else.
By all accounts, due to sheer time spent practicing and studying, the two most powerful mages in either faction should be Thalyssra and Rommath.
And yet, Jaina beats both.
Nathanos is LITERALLY just Undead-Human-Halduron. He’s literally just an Undead Hunter. Who wasn’t alive for any substantial length of time, and wasn’t undead for any substantial length of time. Just a dude.
i mean, rommath should be, but he hardly even exists in wow. Thalyssra should be as well, but she is shown to be weak all the time as well. She is about as powerful as the “an illusion! what are you hiding?” mobs from legion.
If it comes down to powerlevel on the horde, Occuleth is probably the most powerful figure now from what they have shown. at least he can actually DO something.
Not saying it’s not stupid or anything, because it’s dumb as hell. But I was merely pointing out it’s like one of the few things blizz has been consistent with
Its clear no matter what I say you refuse to understand what I am trying to say but rather change it to the most antagonistic way possible to interpret it to suit your own narrative. I don’t think there is anything I can possibly say that you won’t villainize.
I will just go back to responding K to whatever you say.
Otherwise I am spending time responding to your giant rants “thats not what I am saying” and given the fact that you say english isn’t your first language makes my efforts even more futile.
But they did. And burned a whole zone with everyone in it and we spent the entire expansion being told by numerous Alliance characters “we failed and we can’t stop the Horde.”
I am sure there is a way for you and the Horde to feel strong again. Its up to you and other Horde fans to figure out what that is.
For Alliance its to finally get a decisive win over the Horde.
Battle for Lordaeron and Battle for Stromgarde were good examples IMO. The main problem with the former is that Blizzard decided to make it feel like a defeat despite it being a victory.
And for me, that is where a lot of my objections to Horde suggestions in this thread come from. There are lots of suggestions that just kind of try to pretend that BfA never happened and completely ignore it, not just ignoring Horde actions but ignoring territorial changes as well.
But what they don’t realize is that doing this, namely invalidating the entire arc of BfA, necessarily affects the Alliance as well, because both factions stories were intertwined by the nature of the expansion. And as it turns out, what sucked about the expansion for the Horde that makes them want to ignore it wasn’t necessarily something that was bad for the Alliance.
So it’s kind of hard to adequately parse suggestions like “The Forsaken should do X and Y and Z in the Eastern Kingdoms” or “The Horde should just pretend that the Night Elves don’t exist” in a way that doesn’t just crap all over the Alliance.
We kind of did, ages ago. With most of these threads essentially finding the resolution that there isn’t some “great act” that can ever really “redeem” the Horde. So outside of the general voluntary government reformation and olive branches likes Sira (and I’d wager Sylvie, since I don’t see her escaping with Big-Z) … “redemption” is more practical as maybe a byproduct of the “Rebuilding” of the Faction. Not a direct goal. But, its a conclusion that not many people were happy with. Least of all certain Blue posters.
The Aliiance are the Krusty Krab and the Horde are the Chum Bucket. This is how Blizzard sees the factions.
We’re just in a lull/aftermath of the Horde’s previous antagonistic actions. Wait an expansion or two before the Horde is written to do something dumb again.
How about Tyranda’s biceps? Tyranda will nail her to the wall, Jaina will wheeze something about peace, forgiveness, and understanding toward the Horde… https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/633333989427380237/776187129189498890/tyrande_and_Jaina_2.png
Their is nothing to redeem when the Horde has shown they stand for nothing and can never be committed to anything. If their is anything to take from all this its this.
Sylvanas DID NOT DO ALL THIS ALONE.
A lot in the Horde were either compliant or was out for blood as much as she was. After dragging Eitrigg’s sorry butt through the streets of Orgimmar (Boy did I enjoy that) citizens were throwing garbage at him. Sylvanas even had public opinion on her side.
But just like Garrosh before her she became the Horde’s scapegoat. The Horde is indeed nothing and will be nothing.
