How Can We Redeem/Rebuild The Horde (Actual Horde Edition)

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Sorry dude, but bolded is LITERALLY NOT the Belves´ fault -not in the narrative and sure as hell not in reality regarding the fans.

For the third time in this thread: keep your frustration over elves existing on Horde in your own headspace cause some of us are T I R E D of having to dealt with YOUR poorly chanelled BS for freaking years, period.

I´ll repeat: be my guest, I rather get CONSISTENT portrayal regarding the Belves than stupid stuff like Lor´themar saying “Baine is the heart of the Horde” and acting as if Jaina wasn´t a pest to be around or him simping Calia. Of the two examples you pull out, the first one (Isle of Thunder) was the FIRST TIME the Belf racial leader was used proactively and positively in regards to the whole of the Horde faction and not reduced to "Belf exclusive stuff -like in WotLK´s Argent Tournament with the lowkey bashing Quel´Delar Quest chain-. And even still, Vol´jin and Thrall got WAAAY BETTER screentime and importance in the narrative.

Also, him hearing Taran Zhus´advice =/= him “creating bridges” for the Horde and Alliance to work together, something that actually did NOT happen back there had yopu actually paid attention.

Sorry the first generation Belves had to appear in the narrative re-enaction of the Belf story that had a different brand of Night elves filling in the protagonist seat -you know… the one that Belves filled back in WC3 to TBC-. It´s not like it made sense narrativelñy speaking.

Sure dud, is NOT like elves like Lorash appeared to portray that yes, ALL of the Horde was there to get their turn at the villan bat /eyeroll

Dear, the whole Nazjatar narrative is a copout made of incoherencies, and don´t think I didn´t hate it too when it signed the start or Lor´s simping path.

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I didn’t find it in Shadows of the Horde but it might be in the Vol’Jin short story from a different Loa. But that’s just not downloading for me and Blizz is giving me a 404 and I don’t want to deal with it this moment. I am going to rescind my point for now as I think it is probably my memory being crappy.

At least we were productive for like 4 posts, I’ll try to come up with some other things for the thread. Did you see my idea about Horde settling in South Kalimdor- nothing new or anything just it’s very Horde to see a land most people wouldn’t try to settle on and go “yeah that can be home”

I agree this is a huge writer issue, and it does bother me a lot that non conventionally attractive monsters are thrown to the wayside.
However belf fans get a lot of crap, some of the most horrendous is the undercurrent of addiction = evil and that they are the bad seed of the glorious beautiful wonderful high elves, not to mention the ‘ew I don’t want gay elves in my faction’ that has died down but we all still remember.

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It’s not “blood elves getting content” that bugged me. It was what seemed like a combination of them getting what seemed like the only positive content COUPLED WITH a lack of it for the uglier races. If there was more good stuff in general then yeah, who cares; everyone’s getting stuff they want.

Combining the two gives me a weird vibe of the blood elves + nightborne coming off like an unofficial narrative babysitter to keep the monsters in check.

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I´m worse than cicute dear. And somehow still better than you and your “muh arbitrary reasons why Alliance is NOT guud enough ergo Hurde HAS TO be portrayed as worse so I can get liking back for muh Alliance” incoherent mental frame. Cause that´s the most hilarious thing in this thread: you don´t even really like the Alliance either -ergo your "buut, buut!!! THE ALLIANCE HAS TO REDEEM TOO!! facepalm worthy remarks, casue the only way to “fix” the image of the Alliance is in writting related to it, NOT to the Horde-, you just care over dumping on the Horde and that´s it.

Cause so far your only contribution to this thread can be resumed as “how can I get personal satisfaction so my ego gets stroked in the most toxic way ever”.

I take it you´re still salty over being exposed as a MHP quality poster. Not my fault dude, next time write actually intelligent stuff instead of “lololol, sequestrate a faction in hell so muh faction can get even moar screentime and resource input”.

Ty for acting like a decent Horde comrade and not dismissing us Belf fans as “second rate Hordies” or something.

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People like pretties better than uglies, to put it bluntly. That’s why that kind of aesthetic distinction exists at all. Our lizard brains prefer to sympathize with the former over the latter if given the choice, even subconsciously.

Our feelings towards pretty and cute things vs. ugly and hostile things is hardcoded into our DNA.

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Oh, I suppose the whole Vol´jin arc that starte since Cata never existed, I must have allucinated it. Or the Crossroads stuff or Vol´jin´s apparitions in SoO -in which ironically is HIM the one awed and trying to close bridges with Tyrande- and so on. Or the War Crimes novel too. All of that NEVER happened, suuure.

Is not like we got Tauren stuff either in BfA´s pre-patch that portrayed Baine and Mayla in a positive light during the allied race scenario while the Nightbnorne intro scenario basically ridiculed both Thalysra and Liadrin with some very lacking in sense dialogue. And Rokhan totes NEVER got amazing portrayal in Nazmir and the Dazar´alor raid, looking both strong and smart to the point I´m still salty a meme like Ze´kahn got an unique model BEFORE Rokhan. It wasn´t like Rexxar and Voss appeared in the probably BEST scenario involving the creation of a Forsaken, nuuuhh. Nor them continuing to appear as sensible people taking care of Zelling´s family regardless of their monstruous appearance, no sir!!

This literally never happens… and I think you blow out in proportion any time Belves appear on-screen and deliberately ignore all the other times trolls, tauren and yes, even orcs, appear on screen portrayed in a positive light to appease your bias.

Sure guy until we actually grow up and learn to lead our lives using the grey matter, not the hypothalamus. Cause only inmature people lead their actual lives based upon something as superficial and inane as “pretty / not pretty” choices. And even more childish people asume others pick stuff always centered on this -I know I love the Belf race NOT because they´re pretty but because they are hardened imperfect people to the frustration of the players that didn´t like WC3 casue it ruined their WC2 to WoW soap opera fanfiction.

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I get where you are coming from but i feel like you fail to see the whole picture here. First, the blood elf being the reasonable race in Bfa is the only time that we could consider them as the ‘‘babysitter’’. Remember that some blood elf npc were the most ardent Sylvanas defender. It is also blood elf that kind of helped the most with the Theramore bombing.

I agree that they are the only one who got some small positive content, but this is on a very small scale and it come with the fact that they just lack of content at some point. In Wow, most of time, not being relevant is a good thing since the more relevant you will be the more destroy you will get. So the reason they seem to get out of it good is because blizzard always treat them as something not important when it come to the ‘‘real horde’’. Which isn’t all positive for them. Let along the fact that both of our elf fantasy ( magic) is always overshadowed by human potential.

I would say that blood elf are a bit like dwarf, they are way underused by their faction but are rarely crap on by the dev.

I feel like going on at other horde race aren’t really helping the horde situation. Both of you actually look like MHP (ainhin) and night elf ( any night elf) going at each other over who should lose stuff so the other can claim land.

P.S. Don’t misjudge me as a blood elf fan, i main this character because he is a warlock and the horde doesn’t have any other horde race that wear gear good enough for me to pay real money ( zanda warlock would have me trowing my money to blizzard in a second). Troll and undead are by far my favourite WoW race.

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I agree with you that the blood elf didn’t have it that good compare to the other horde race but you are wrong on some of those point. Vol’jin development is only making up for the fact that troll lost their most important character and it take a while before their second start becoming relevant.

The tauren stuff? Baine is being portrayed as a alliance yes man and have been bullied since the start of shadowland.

As i said to Sarm, the blood elf still is in a better position over all ( city, leader, funny unimportant development) but this is also coming with the fact that they are always ignored when in come to important content. As for the other horde race? They get more development but this is only making up for all the lost that they get while the blood elf got ignored.

But i do agree that taking on all the horde elf for this isn’t reasonable.

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You sound patronizing honestly, doesn’t really entice me to read anything past this point or care about what you think or your arguments.

You are probably one of those that never stop talking about themselves on a date or worse no… you are one of those that won’t stop talking about their exes

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Fair enough. But I don’t think I’m just singling out and picking on blood elves. I’ve been pretty sour on the horde as a concept thanks to BFA and this all started just because of a stupid joke comment I made upthread. Ariel got annoyed, I tried to clarify the reasoning for the joke and hey, maybe it’s just not funny. Most of my stuff isn’t. I said I’d cut it out, she rejected it and kept going. So I tried to elaborate, but Ariel speaks in nothing but sarcasm anyway and I’ve obviously fallen from her grace so I’m just a filthy backstabbing traitor to be talked to as such.

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I get you but to be honest, justifying why you have a problem with horde elf might make you joke on the horde elf less like a joke but more as something that you actually think for real.

And yeah Ariel definitively take it to personal but to be honest, it might come from the fact that blood elf are hate by both the alliance ( out of jealousy) and the horde ( for not being a real horde race) and are also often consider as just a forum troll. Even i is often just call ‘‘a other blood elf poster’’ even without being a blood elf fan. So i also get why blood elf fan are annoying by this kind of comment.

Btw i am not telling you to stop those joke, i myself from time to time just going to call out a race for fun, i am just telling you where Ariel might come from. I might also just gave her to much credit but still.

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Irrelevant, they GOT the development. I saw DK Trolls being portrayed as heroic martyrs in MoP and that beats the Thunder Isle stuff when one actually stops and thinks about it (Belves went there to protect themselves from Garrosh, DK Trolls were already getting attacked and were valiantly resisting it, ergo they acted their heroic part FIRST).

I´m talking about the alied race scenario… and while yes, the underuse of the Tauren race as a whole is criminal, we can´t pretend delicious individuals like Lasan DON´T exist into our gameplay (man, I love that moose cow. Best Tauren ever after Cairne).

Ty for saying this, cause it´s not “irrelevant”. Belves getting used in superficial stuff doesn´t make the race “more coddled”. What makes a race geat is the combination of ALL it´s appearances and it´s narrative, and narrativelñy speaking the Horde trolls do have a bigger neglect on screen but a better narrative on paper.

“I have nothing to argue with so I´ll resort to insults” strat? how… dissapointing. But expected.

Also, I see you´re still burning from getting told your truth to your face… my advice is: learn to cope, dude. Cause no humiliation of the Horde will make you like your Alliance faction, sorry.

Congrats, you admit maybe it is indeed a bad taste joke? That´s improvement, maybe there´s still hope for you.

But ofc I did, you know why? It isn´t because of the Belf proper thing… it´s because you take an insensitive attitude and see no issue with it. You can absolutely dislike Belves man, but it´s rude to join into the “lul, let´s make fun and lowkey imply I don´t want these people on my group” fun we have had to stand for more than a decade. I despise most of the Alliance races thanks to how they are written but you don´t see me participating in Alliance fans threads to bash on them. Especially not “for fun and jokes”, cause that´s disrespectful.

Dude, if you join the rude club, you get rude attitude, simple as that. I have no issue with you disliking the Belves, but you can bet I´ll chew you out all and every time you decide that “kicking the Belves -and by proxy the players that like them- oout of the Horde” seems like a hilariously good idea. Don´t expect to get aceptance from the people you are blindly and unfairly rejecting thanks to your own prejudiced bias.

Btw food for though: while Belves are my favorite race, I have only TWO Belf characters. I have TWO of all and every Horde race, with Trolls as my close second, which means I have more monsters on my PC list than probably most of you (as a matter of fact the race I like less in Horde are the Pandaren cause theyre so… boring. Tauren well done like Lasan or Mayla I can stand, but don´t ask me to like the guy that considered the murder of his civilians a “legitimate military target event” and moven on).

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Well its not like you ever bring something in a thread anyway without toxicity and calling out people so yeah, you might just stop reading and go do something else instead.

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You’re right and I didn’t think about it that way.

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How dare the Alliance Poster call out the Horde Posters on their hypocrisy.

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Says the poster who simultaneously ask to get her feelings coddled for the Teldrassil fiasco because it hurt Alliance players feelings but makes /pikachu faces when Horde posters point out how they can get hurt thanks to events related to how the faction gets portrayed in game too.

Careful, you can get accidentally smashed considering the size of those double standards.

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I don’t want to respond to every comment so am just gonna go with this. The whole blood elf vs horde is the same as the alliance vs horde. Horde get content but it mostly just them getting destroy or destroying themself, which is far from being content. As for the alliance or blood elf, they get ignored more of the time until a real threat come in and they both get some cool development. With blizzard writing, you have to chose your poison. Either you get good content but is rarely relevant or either you have tone of story but it mostly going to ruin you instead of going forward.

So instead of arguing about who have it better, we should just agree that everyone ( except human) have it bad its own way and we should just focus on asking for better for everyone ( except human).

As for the insulting each other part, i think that you might have that Sarm comment a bit to seriously and might seem bitter about it. Sarm seem to be a reasonable person if you talk calmly with him and while i get you for not liking his comment, you did sound a bit aggressive with him. In fact, you kind of sounded a bit aggressive toward me even if i agree with you on some part. But it might only be the way that you write that might make you seem more aggressive that you really are. I myself have problem to express my feeling sometime in this forum since eng isn’t my first language.

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I’ve never been shocked that Horde Posters didn’t like being villain batted if that’s what you’re talking about.

If it’s something else then I’m gonna have to ask you to clarify.

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She is talking about how the horde player were also very punished by BFa story so when night elf player ask for us to be punished even more through a big night elf vengeance win, we find it silly.

Which is what you called hypocrisy.

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Sure chocolate buns but…

That’s definitely not hypocrisy but maybe irony?