Hunting Sylvanas in Shadowlands…
Freeing night elf souls from the Maw…
Eliminating the warchief position…
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So, they commit on atrocity, willingly, for the 3rd or 4th time now because Mah Warchief said it’s okay and than become sad about it. Mind you, Sylvanas didn’t force anyone to fire those catapults on Teldrassil.
It’s par for blizz writing to scapegoat the morally bankrupt horde and put on the blame on a single person. Because you know, apparently the horde is a hive mind and just can’t help themselves 
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You’re frankly being ridiculous at this point.
Gantrithor pointed it out better than I could.
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Most of the people on the council are part of the problem and have been for years now… Everyone is hunting sylvanas, and no one really knows who cannonically saved the NE souls from the Maw.
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I proposed a change to the council.
Ok. Everyone includes the Horde.
Horde (players) are still there doing it in game…
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She made an order on an active battlefield with out anyone other than her having any context on what awaited them in the Tree. And despite that, Saurfang still tried to stop the bombardment himself. So, yeah, for most Horde soldiers that just went through the Darkshore and Ashenvale meatgrinders (8 to 1 odds against civilians) … “Burn It” without context means what? What Saurfang initially thought was right? That there was something awful and combative in that Tree? With only Sylvie knowing the truth.
This wasn’t some systematic purging of the NEs based on some idealistic grounds. It was a single Genocidal Act without context or intent. And the only one you could “maybe” point to with even the intent to eradicate the NEs, was Sylvie herself … and thats just cuz she was looking to create a catalyst to get everyone killed. And yeah, its still a horrific event. Monstrous. But for the Horde, without that context Summermoon gave Sylvanas, it would be more equivalent to the Atomic Bombs on Japan … rather than … Germany of the same period.
EDIT: And yet, we’ve still had nothing but Grief and Remorse from the Horde about that event for 3+ years now … when ever we were allowed an opinion on it that is. And weren’t being silenced for the sake of oppressive Plot Convenience for Sylvanas and her setting up of SLs. Which btw, IS the reason Derek exists.
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Years now huh? 
For real? For one, the Council is a new thing.
But of our current council members, only TWO have been around “For Years”. Baine Bloodhoof of the Mulgore Tauren, Anduin’s pet and Bestie. Lor’themar Theron of the Sin’dorei, who many Alliance players even to claim to like still. The MU Orcs, Darkspear, Forsaken, and Bilgewater are all sporting new (or returned) leadership. None of which were the leaders of their respective races during BfA. Thrall, Rokhan, Voss/Calia, Gazlowe. Of the ARs, only two were around during the burning. Mayla of the Highmountain & Thalyssra of the Nightborne. Both were allowed to express regret immediately about Teld, and even joining the Horde at all at one point. Both jumped on the rebellion bandwagon the moment they had the chance.
That leaves Geya’rah of the AU Mag’har (who sided with Sylvie, but only because she has no idea what Teld is or who the hell Saurfang or Thrall are); Talanji of the Zandalari; and Kiro of the Vulpera. All three joining the conflict after said Genocidal Act. So … who exactly are our problem children we’ve had for years? Because either you’re saying ALL the remaining Horde characters need to go (and thus, I feel no need to be empathetic to your complaints if thats the stance you’re taking) … or like most Alliance players you just don’t have enough emotional investment in the Horde to see how many changes actually did occur to its central government due to BfA.
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I like how “Alliance players liking Horde characters” is considered inherently problematic for you
Did I say that? I said that these quite literally are the only two core racial leaders left to the Horde from BfA. And of the four leaders total that where in charge during even the Burning, that’s Baine, Lor’themar, Mayla, Thalyssra. So if THESE people are “problems for years” (let alone those that weren’t in charge during that event) … Micah is essentially saying that ALL Horde characters are “part of the problem” (with the implicit message that ALL Horde characters need to go for her to feel appeased).
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I could give a rats rear about killing off any of your leaders droite, don’t project. I’m just saying thrall, baine and lortha’mer, the big three with the most pull on the council are part of the problem. 
I do find it funny though, that since I been more honest about how I feel concerning the story, I’ve noticed a subtle and sometimes not so subtle hostility behind a lot of horde posters wording
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In what way? All three are generally passive with the Alliance unless they’re being forcibly silenced for plot-convenience. Hell, two of them are outright friendly to the Alliance, and the last just doesn’t want anything to do with you since the Purge. When Lorth is allowed to be himself, he keeps to himself. Thrall wasn’t even part of the Horde during BfA. He wasn’t even on Azeroth for that matter. One would assume these are exactly the types of guys you want leading their respective races, outside of when its “Villain Bat” time. And then it doesn’t matter who our racial leaders are; they’re all going to get shut-up till its time to “get” an opinion.
Outside of that, we have … no one else? So I’m not seeing the problem.
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I assume it’s because in Thrall’s case, he nominated Garrosh in the first place and then peaced out for a while, and Baine and Lor’themar both sat around and remained part of the horde while they attacked the alliance twice now instead of separating if they really did object.
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You get what I was attempting and failing at trying to say
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It’s not exactly something I’m happy about agreeing with.
At least you still have characters you like.
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And yet, when they aren’t getting manacled by the Plot Convenience needs of some despot Blizz is letting take the Horde for a joyride (to settup future content and expacs) … they’re probably the most passive/friendly Horde leaders you could get for those respective Horde races. And like I said, during those villain bat “Plot Convenience” moments … it does not matter who our leaders are. ALSO, if you are going to take this stance, then that means you are condemning nearly the entire Horde roster and PCs (outside of a few ARs). Which means Micah’s “honesty” amounts to “I can’t feel appeased with any Horde characters left”.
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Genn I simply adore for various reasons, and Ivar Bloodfang are my fav, although Ivar deserves a lot more screen time. (I have my own issues with the other alliance leaders that is a topic unto itself)
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Droite, for last god damn time stop projecting your feelings. I don’t want your leaders dead
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I am starting to see it Droite’s way.
Yes. Kill them all.
Right, but you still consider them problems. Which need to be dealt with for you to feel the council is “acceptable”. And these three are of the most Alliance Neutral guys we have; outside of those periods they aren’t being silenced for plot-convenience. Which means that none of our remaining character roster would make the cut for acceptable. Like, people do get that the NEs alone (5) have as many developed reps as: The MU Orcs (2), Darkspear (1), Tauren (1), Forsaken (0), and Bilgewater (1) combined right? And most of these guys are B Rank at best. I wonder why I’d be a tad bit touchy when it comes to characters? In an absurdly hero driven game that requires you to have developed reps to ever hope to find relevance for your PC race?
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