Play both warfront. Both are in game win.
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Under the guise of Azerite posing a threat to the Horde, Sylvannas played Saurfang like a fiddle.
This is an orc who was in every war, and understands the deep seated hatred. An orc who just saw the alliance attack the Horde in the middle of the largest legion invasion. An orc who was just made privy to the fact that a “macguffin” of great power is now bleeding out into everyone’s hands.
Sylvannas’s words that the alliance will strike if they don’t strike first made sense…especially given what happened in Stormheim.
I don’t blame the Horde for being proactive. And I agree, that they should have been more wary of Sylvannas, but she did save them on the Broken shore from destruction.
Again, she uses people and is good at it.
The goal was to kill Malfuion. That’s what Saurfang was conscripted for, and what the war of thorns was meant to be for. An immediately after Sylvannas ignites Teldrassil, Saurfang freaks out about it and is in a rage over what she does, because the goal was to get Malfurion and use it as leverage for bargaining. At least, this is what the quests lead the player to believe up until Sylvannas yolo’s the tree.
Blizzard are selfish jerks and I agree with you on your last point. Look at the guy eating his words about classic. “You think you do, but you don’t”. Lul.
At least it looks like Thrall is getting proper story development, and might actually get his act together and the Horde can finally move back to WC3 mode.
Edit - Another way the Horde can make amends and move forward…is that they just don’t. And the Alliance become so aggressive that the whole tables turn, and its the Alliance slaughtering Horde for once…until they realize they’ve become the monsters that they hate, and everyone takes a chill pill. This seems to be what’s getting set up anyway with Yrel, the light being a villain, etc.
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Not what I am talking about and you know it.
Being facetious isnt cute.
I am fine with it. Horde narratively needs the punishment for starting wars all the time. We can grow from there.
Start the redeeming from that point onwards and it gives the Alliance something to conflict over and maybe grow as well.
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This is perfectly what you ask about… But yeah i already know what you really want.
A perfect big scaled fist bumping in game win against the horde that would let everyone no who is the strongest while also having no morality problem with it as you would be rightful to do it.
So basically something that the horde never had.
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The Horde doesn’t start wars. Specific characters do.
Punishing every American because the president and congress start a foreign war is incorrect thinking. Replace this with any country.
The alliance need storylines where they are forced to do things that they don’t want to do. Until then, unless you play both sides and have zero bias, its difficult to understand the other side’s argument.
As a Horde player, I don’t want my story to spend time dealing with things I already hate. Blizz’s writing f’d up. Stop making me deal with it. Move on. Sucks for everyone involved, but at least Night elves get story development, even if its a direction you dislike.
Shaman are still waiting for their afterlife connection to Shadowlands. So are Tauren, the predominant spirit walker race.
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Cenarius helped against the warsong. I don’t think it’s the stretch you think it is that the wilds gods would come to their aid. And possibly Ysera and Alextraza as well.
And even if not, i’d say that the Horde is America, and the Night elves vietnam. Sure, America was stronger. It didn’t stop them from losing the war through atrittion, and an unwillingness to continue the war. Sure the vietnamese were beat to all hell, but they won. I can see Night elves winning that way.
No, but they know their own lands far better than anyone else. I’m sure lots of races can do guerilla tactics. But none can do it as well as the Night elves can in their own lands.
And it wouldn’t just be them. The worgen would join as well, and likely the Draenei. These three together, in the right zones, could very likely defeat the Horde. Or make a victory far too costly to be considered.
You can literally scroll up one post to know that isn’t true. Stop being such a troglidite.
Than blizz needs to stop having the horde start wars, while laughing in alliance players faces by basically telling us we’re never going to get to retaliate, at least once. Everyone keeps saying they want the alliance to be bad guys, or a shade darker but than you switch and say you don’t to be beat up again.
Like which one is it?Can you guys please make up your mind?
lol, good luck making that happen. I feel like you’d have to get super graphic, and beat-over-the-head blatant to try to offset any story desire for revenge at this point, and I kinda doubt that’d even work.
But on principle I don’t think it’s a good idea to suggest that anyone should be required to do content that makes them feel unhappy with themselves.
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I think that when you talk about Night Elf “military supremacy “, there needs to be a distinction drawn between offensive and defensive power.
I don’t think that people are suggesting that the Night Elves should be able to single handedly march into Orgrimmar and burn it down (Offensive power), but they are suggesting that the Night Elves on the defensive in their home territory should be far more difficult to defeat than they were shown to be.
The idea that a smuggler would know paths within Night Elf territory that the Night Elves didn’t know about was transparently ridiculous.
Yes, the Horde outnumbered the Night Elves significantly, but I think it’s fair to say that the party on the defensive has a major strategic advantage in medieval/early modern warfare.
The Horde would have been slowed to a crawl by the need to drag catapults along and those catapults should have been quite vulnerable to Night Elf guerrilla tactics.
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The pain of night elf fans losing Teldrassil pales by several orders of magnitude in comparison to the pain of losing a real-life child. The people who are so upset by Teldrassil IRL that it is comparable are severely mentally ill and need to receive help for their inability to regulate their own emotions.
Yes. Settled, such as with a definitive victory for the night elves. You’re insisting that the ONLY way forward is to get payback against the Horde. I’m saying there are other options that could avoid another damn faction war. Blizzard sucks at writing them and nobody ends up happy. Do you think if you keep pushing for more faction conflict, Blizzard will magically do a 180 on its track record?
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Alextrasza and Ysera came in to Bless the tree and fight the Legion. Cenarius only got involved against the Warsong AFTER he sensed the Fel Taint in their Blood and made the assumption they were agents of the Legion trying to create a foothold for another invasion. Which is why HE at least fully intended to eradicate them all. None of them in any way got involved in what they believed to be a conflict between mortals.
Truly, the only argument Alliance players have why the NEs should arbitrarily be more poweful, into perpetuity, than the entire Horde combined is head cannon; and throwing MORE nature and MORE stealth at any problem they face. They are absurdly strong, but never as strong as Alliance players clearly believe they should be. By taking a single line from WC3 Grom completely out of context to pretend NE Savagery just equates to the “Win Button”. Especially after the WotA content diluted NE “savagery” to “Savage, by Highborne standards”.
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I mean, by denying every kind of victory that the alliance had, this is what you end up asking.
The alliance had a win at Lordaeron. But is wasn’t them that destroyed it so it doesn’t count.
The alliance had a win on both warfront. But apparently it doesn’t count.
The alliance had a win at camp Taujuro, But since it was to small it doesn’t count.
Many alliance leader have beat horde leader, but since they didn’t kill them it doesn’t count.
The alliance had siege 4 time horde capital city, but since they didn’t destroy them it doesn’t count.
So you basically just want the horde player to lose something major for you to feel good even if the horde player already lost it to himself ( undercity) or in a other way.
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Wasn’t a perfect analogy, I agree. Still, point still stands. a victory for Teldrassil isn’t a victory as long as the responsible parties haven’t been made to day, or tried to atone, or something else.
Not necessarily payback. But it must involve the Horde, yes.
I believe, strongly, that Teldrassil cannot be settled without Horde involement in some fashion. I get that it’s a tough spot Blizzard put us, but they are the ones to get us out of it.
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Ysera even admittet in sl, would she be alive, she would have deffend the ne and fight the horde back.
To the wild gods: blizzard even admittet thats the reason the lightforged ship or the wild gods didn’t show up was because thats not the story they wanted to tell
Its exist no lore reason for this inconsequence, in the end they don’t show up
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No, what he’s saying is that like all the Alliance posters here are subtly saying. They have convinced themselves that the Horde got some great Fist Bump power fantasy moment in BfA through Teld. That we have to take that as a big win, regardless of the context; while that same context invalidates all their wins in BfA. And they’ve diluted themselves into believing this was somehow in any way a positive experience for the Horde playerbase. So, what they want, is what they’ve convinced themselves we got. But without all the 2+ years of active shaming; the destruction of the Faction Identity; Racial Fantasy; and Character Roster that the Horde got. All while maintaining that flawless Moral Purity Test to boot. Can’t scuff that nonsense in any way.
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Yep and none of them are willing to acknowledge that the horde had to deal with this in bfa:
I find it hard to respect the opinion of something claiming that i should be punish for having to go trough all that.
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Droite, it doesn’t have to be a big win for your side, to be a devastating loss for ours. We got absolutely crushed with that one event, emotionally.
It doesn’t have to be for us to want the Horde to pay for it, one way or another. Just letting it go would frankly shatter whatever lingering attachments I still have to the franchise.
Also, it’s deluded, not diluted.
I don’t care if parts of the Alliance turn black as pitch, as long as payback is on the menu. But i’d rather settle the score through other means than faction conflict.
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And Morg, many Horde posters have said time and time again if what you really want is to “blow up our stuff” to reassert your dominance … we’re FINE with it so long as you use that unique environment to let our horrifically depleted and underdeveloped character roster/council get development. In a pressure turns coal to diamonds sort of way. We don’t care if you blow up some cities or kill off some random population percentage in a game where population numbers do not matter. The Horde will rebuild what they’ve lost in a week, its par for the course. And we’ve always lived with that 2nd reality.
However, it is shocking how expecting just a tiny bit of plot-armor for our Reps as payment for such an overwhelmingly one-sided power fantasy for the Alliance recieves so much pushback. Because, at the end of the day, many Alliance players do see those reps as part of he problem and demand their heads too. Or they feel that not being able to body our characters effortlessly (and yes, that would happen) would cheapen their win.
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