Pretty much title. I don’t like BT a lot, and wondered how much of a DPS loss it would be to switch to MoC.
Bear in mind I am not geared and not doing any hard content yet, but want to set myself up to do so effectively.
Thanks!
I can’t tell you the specific numbers, but you can always sim it.
Personally, I really want to try MoC with the Curio legendary. I already have Apex at rank 3, so messing around with Curio is probably next on my list.
Thank you for the insight! I have been looking to gear up and thinking of Apex Predator as my first leggo, I’ve heard it works real well with primal wrath and I have been thinking about using MoC in conjunction.
Apex is a solid all-around legendary choice. It does work well with primal wrath, you get a lot of FB proc’s from it. Personally though I really like Bloodtalons with Primal Wrath because on mass pulls (Primal Wrath isn’t capped at 5 targets) an additional 30% damage on all of those bleeds adds up very quickly.
MoC could interact really well with the curio legendary, though; hence my desire to try it.
Unless you’re really concerned with parses and pushing bleeding-edge content, you should always play a style that’s fun and engaging for you. If that’s the MoC style, then go for it. Just know that properly executed, Bloodtalons will likely give you better throughput.
I still plan to mess around with MoC and the Curio legendary though. Increased OoC procs in conjunction with that legendary effect could be really fun. If you’re dead set on the MoC talent I would consider the Curio legendary over Apex.
Of course, you can always just sim everything on raidbots if you want to know specific output numbers.
Maybe I should just put more time into learning to work around BT effectively. Thank you for the input and advice. I’ll definitely win it for sure, but I do go more for fun than big numbers.
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You need to get more crit tbh, you’ll do wayyyyyyyyyyyy more dmg per tick and bite.
I recently made the switch from Brutal Slash to Primal Wrath. Although, Brutal Slash provided high burst, the 5 target cap and cool down made it considerably weaker than Primal Wrath.
For those of you that play Primal Wrath, do you replace RIP on your action bar? If not, when would use you RIP instead of Primal Wrath?
In Bfa I had a macro that just had PW first in the list and then Rip, so if I’m specced for BrS (pvp) it just uses Rip since PW doesn’t exist.
You do not replace Rip on your actionbar. Use Rip in single target, and Primal Wrath instead for 2+ targets.
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Absolutely not.
On single target. PW has a max duration of 12 seconds. Rip has a duration of 24 seconds.
Source: Tooltips/basic math.
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I actually simmed this just last night. I use MoC by default because the rotation makes it smoother but I tried BT for raid night to see how much more output I could do.
I don’t remember the -exact- sim numbers, but it’s about a 300 dps difference, more or less. It’s not very much, and if you’re particularly low on haste and have a hard time keeping up with the ‘3 abilities within 4 seconds’ threshold, then MoC is the go-to.
Feel free to add onto this if I’m wrong though!
E: Wording and whatnot.
Working on that as we speak!
Brutal slash is really meant for ST, wrath for AoE. BS should be used for CP fillers / getting BT going.
But no don’t replace rip.
Since I will be crafting Cat’s-Eye Curio next week, I’ll be using Sabertooth with Moment of Clarity and Primal Wrath. I thought I could keep the 12 second Rip dot up with 5 point Ferocious Bites with Sabertooth but, Rip falls off too often.
Others hit on when.
I have a macro that uses rip unless shift is held then it turns into PW. I have the same type macro with my bash and typhoon 
I think I may have to use a macro that functions like that. The Harm/Help macro is useful until you have too many offensive abilities.
I’m actually really looking forward to testing the gameplay with curio and the MoC talent.
In a perfect scenario, around a 100 dps difference on single target.
The way this is worded makes it sound like a permanent change when it shouldn’t be.
Talents are easy to swap. You should be using PW in content with a lot of AoE (like dungeons) and BS in content with a lot of single target. (Like raids.)
I feel like you didn’t understand the question.