I know the consensus is Fire > Frost for pvp but how bad is Frost really? Looking for honesty
Frost isn’t bad – Fire is just way more fun.
It’s good and really annoying to fight against.
There’s only 16 mages who secured a title this season across all 3 brackets once you deduct alts.
Let that sink in for a minute. You could double that number and there’s still more paladins in 2s alone.
I got glad as fire last season and ended up going frost towards the end of this season to get it as melee had scaled to such ridiculous heights with the 252 gear that we couldn’t win enough vs melee cleaves as fire anymore.
Fire is super strong into double casters, but frost is good enough into casters and is much better against melee. I had a blast playing fire
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Frost mage+shadow priest is legit one of the strongest comps in wrath and future expansiosn, aka shatter play
what are you on about? Frost on of the strongest casters in the game, it just has a high skill cap
people with low skill cap just play ele shaman cuz its so easy to play.
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All fun and games as elem shammy till you get hard focused and have no blink, ice block, stun or silence to alleviate pressure.
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Lol thats fine because as ele you always have a Hpal behind you. Do not act as tho ele isnt the strongest caster in the current meta 
very hard for melee to touch with roots that have no DR and a knockback then vs casters you shut one down the whole game with wind shear every couple seconds + grounding. Toolkit is very strong, not to even mention the dddddamage.
That’s fire 
The consensus is Fire > Frost, where did you learn this? Lmao Frost has all the tools to be a top tier comp with the right team
Mages in general suck be a warlock if you want to pwn
???
There is zero reason to bring a frost mage over an ele. Like, literally 0. There’s nobody playing it for a good reason.
That’s like quadruple the amount of hunters!
Edit: After checking, it’s actually 5 times more mages than hunters that got Furious Gladiator across all 3 brackets for EU + US (15 mages vs 3 hunters).
I’m depressed now.
There’s 9 hunters for glad/R1
Hunters and mages are about equal in difficulty. There’s just so many more mages then hunters because of classic & TBC popularity that there’s just a larger pool of players that stuck to it rather then rerolling. Nobody was rerolling a hunter for TBC PvP like they were for mages, and WoTLK sure didn’t do them any favors compared to other classes.
Why roll a hunter when you can play a warrior? Why roll a mage when you can play ele?
Still incredibly small population regardless. Do be mindful that a lot of those mages are alts, cream for example has 3 mages all getting it, some in multiple brackets. I was only counting players themselves on NA only. Mad respect to all the hunters out there, though.
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Where do you see 9 hunters?
There’s only 3. Nayressa and Homerjayxx from EU in 3s and Teegezz from US in 3s.
Not a single hunter for Furious Glad in 2s or 5s according to the cutoff.
I’m just counting all players on the NA ladder regardless if they’re EU or not. Lots of EU R1s play on NA.
Konto, Teegezz, Feor, Rhycaz, Junglejum, Skinnay, Esandies, and Pixellless based off the current ladder. I guess I counted wrong, just 8 actually. No idea which one is Nayressa, wasn’t aware he renamed.
Frost is fine, it just takes some skill to play it to a competent level. You’ll see classes underrepresented on the ladder when they can’t net wins by holding W and pressing their Big Damage Button. This is why hunter is also rare, good hunters are absolutely cracked but the class has a high skill floor (outside playing beastcleave at low rating).
They aren’t within the cutoff… Skinnay for example is at 2929 rating, which is rank 92, the cutoff for Furious glad is 3131 (which is around rank 27).
I’m counting gladiator & rank 1 lol
If you’re counting gladiator as well, then your numbers are still wrong. There’s more than 8, even if you account for players with several gladiator alts.
Anyways.
Nerf paladin, warriors and rogues.
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Don’t nerf anything. Leave the game balance alone. This is a 15 year-old meta that doesn’t need tampering; if people want something different, they can wait for another Classic expansion to drop, gun for Classic+, or go play retail.
If I’d call anything busted it’s ele shamans, holy paladins, and preg paladins. I still don’t want to see them nerfed (and I don’t play any of these specs on Classic fwiw).