How can blizz not see Ret pally’s are way to strong right now? getting hit with 70k hits all the time and wings on such a short cd. i just dont get how other games can make a hot fix and change things immediately and WoW is complete trash at adjusting classes
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Ret pallies can become a major problem without communication.
Which is why rogue and ret pally are notoriously known as solo pug stomper champions.
But, when facing opponents who actually slow, kite, cc wings. A ret paladin can become rendered completely useless.
It’s what Blizzard has seem to stick with. It’s what keeps them out of competitive play. But utterly frustrates solo playing players.
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ya i understand what your saying but in no way shape or form should a class be able to 100-0 you in one HoJ with wings. and i think they need to make it where if you bubble you can only heal. there is no reduced damage output when a ret bubbles. this game is so unbalanced and after all these years blizz has no idea what their doing.
Why should you noy die to a class with predictable damage output that might be high but if you play around it a bit you’ll never die to it?
Everyone freaking out constantly about being able to die especially when it’s avoidable is why the meta is so slow.
Any time you die you should think to yourself “Wow how can I avoid that better” instead of “omg thats not even fair makes no sense I can’t believe this”, especially when it’s from a spec so predictable. Rets aren’t even t1 right now even though they have some of the highest damage output because they can die, have bad mobility, and also if you play fine you can still avoid death from them.
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Just don’t get hit
cant really avoid a HoJ when everything is on CD, And rets dont even need to have CD’s to hit someone for 40k. and you can only peel so much with everything on dr. so even the slightest DR they can global someone. maybe blizz should look at the R1 classes and see why its always the same classes dominating every season and not adjusting the game.
If you looked at classes in R1 range there are barely any rets 
You only need to peel during wings
Long wings is a 2 minute CD, you can trade your own defensives for that, PvP trinket has a 2 minute CD as well so pretty straightforward trade.
Every minute they can have mini wings for 6 seconds, just need your team mates to peel there.
Pretty straightforward honestly. You can avoid it and play better but instead you refuse to want to learn.
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when I die to a ret pally I don’t think " how can I avoid that "
Because I’m locked in their 20second stun.
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It only lasts 6 seconds lol, it’s actually so easy to play around ret in general. There’s so many ways to just play better and avoid dying to rets they’re literally just a raid mechanic, if you’re failing to avoid it then it’s on you.
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There are more specs than just Ret that can 100-0 someone, stop being silly.
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Ehh not entirely, damage in general is so awful. Rogue/mage are maybe the only other classes with really significant damage, I guess destros too but I still even consider their damage bad too. Everyones damage is so bad overall right now and defensives are just so good including passive ones.
It’s known that you are biased towards feral/hunters/ret paladins ( I mean who is not) basically everything which pairs well with hunter. But Ret is indeed very if not too strong atm. You can kill druids SOLO in bearform through barkskin in just 1 hoj.
And Yes this sentence is indeed true the “how can i avoid that better” but it had truth in expansions when not everything was dumbed down and pruned down. Today you deal with it or not. Nothing you will and can do about that.
Also Rets do not have bad mobility. They actually have better mobility than DKS and are basically equal to Warriors with horse>charge freedom>leap and some abilites aka hoj being an range ability gives you also room to connect.
The only one thing Ret is lacking compared to other plate wearers is self sustain and defensives but even then they got a decent hand full of it (bubble/bop/SoV) and let’s not forget their utility.
All in all Ret is in a sleeper mod atm actually OP but is getting hold back just slightly by the current meta.
i think ret is strong but nothing compared to sub atm. watch a pikaboo stream
he literally CC the healer for 20 seconds (no cast time on his CC they are all instant)
sap > blind> kidney shot > duel even if the healer trinkets one of them its a bare minimum of 20 seconds where he cant heal.
on top of that his gear is doing 25% bonus auto damage from the procs and his DfA is critting people for 120k , thats harder (way harder) than how hard a greater pyro hits for.
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Ret is strong when it connects. Pretty gimped in arena though, they’re in a wheelchair but getting hit for 70k by some moron backpeddling in a BG is always fun lol. I don’t see why they don’t have their damage reduced and mobility increased. Doesn’t make much sense in general to leave them how they are.
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just line the bolts-
oh this is about ret pallies.
just cc the ret
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Is that why ret is played so often in tournaments or you see them a lot in high rated streams?
Oh wait, no rets in tournaments and when they show up in streams you have people like hydra/pshero beating ret with LVL60 daggers. Yes, nerf them right? lol
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Literally if i see a ret pop wings i run away like a little girl. It hurts.
Just line the chaos b- I mean Templars Verdi-
MIES SPRINT
FULL HOJ
80k
80k
80k
80k
80k
dios mio…
I hate playing ret hunter lol, I just think people complaining about rets is super silly, they obviously have high damage output but there’s also many ways people can play around them. Despite them having top tier damage they’re obviously not t1 in the current meta and it’s because it’s really easy to just not die to them as well as kill them or kite them, but I think in general people complaining about being bursted down when they can find answers to it is the most obnoxious thing and is part of why this meta is super slow anyways.
If you really think there are absolutely 0 answers to dealing with ret paladins or plenty of other situations you’re wrong. Very few classes in very few situations can’t deal with them, but I would say the majority of classes especially ones that are good have an answer to them so I just don’t even begin to understand how someone can say “Oh yeah nothing I can do because the game is pruned”, because while it may be pruned it’s still not pruned enough for you to just have to sit there and do nothing against them.
DKs have extremely high effective mobility AKA uptime on their kill target, rets can move around slightly more than them, but their actual uptime on a target is going to be significantly lower than a DK and this is from experience playing a DK. It’s really easy to disrupt a rets window to go offensive, and besides because of the two things you listed their bad self sustain/defensives causes you to be able to punish rets pretty dramatically by kiting into the open if you’re playing anything with ranged classes because now you’ve pretty much taken away any opportunity a ret has at running away.
Ret might have extremely high damage but that’s not rewarding at all right now so any time I see in this dramatically slow meta complaining about something killing them too fast it’s mind blowing.
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