Sylvanas redemption incoming?
Take four of making the horde noble savages.
It will take all of 1/4 of an expansion for them to commit a war crime.
Donât worry.
Horde/Forsaken Players: âBlizzard we want to maintain the unique qualities of our faction and races without being written as pants crappingly insane sociopaths or lawful-good Paladins of Righteousnessâ
Blizzard âNow everyone is Anduin! Youâre Anduin! And youâre Anduin! The Forsaken are Anduin! The Orcs are Anduin! IsNât ThAt WhAt YoU AsKeD For?? You canât complain about being villains now!â
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Ummmm the entire Horde is one giant retcon lol.
I want to know why thereâs no Ogres anymore.
Mentioned where? They are still going to have the quest lines and NPC dialog and cut scenes. The only thing it looks like they are changing from the tweet is the Heros call board description flavor text of where to level.
So do a lot of us.
There are, you got them, theyâre called kul tirans, have around 1% of the playerbase when soaking wet. And that is counting good racials, nice heritage outfit and unique druid skins. Now picture that with bad racials (cus horde), 2 heads, no druid skins, and they will probably fight toe to toe with mechagnomes for least played.
Itâs more than that. New players donât see the Undercity scenario. They donât get their Heart of Azeroth. Theyâve even updated some BfA quests to award neck pieces. Theyâre doing far more than just changing the heroâs call board that new players donât even get to see since they have no choice but to level in BfA.
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This just show the actual lore team have NO F*** IDEA of what to do with the horde and with the lore of this game, and i donât know how they can maintain their job
They flat out produce the worst lore of any expansion wow ever had, with a lame a$$ excuse, in a way that nobody wanted, and proceed to crap on all of the horde lore rehashing and plagiarize mop Lore, like no one would notice.
Now, that is clear that was dogpoop, they are proceeding to sweep under the rug, so maybe people will forget about it, maybe if we say they are good-two-shoes everyone will be happy, cause nobody wanted to be cartoon-villains murder hobos.
i think this is probably the problem here, blizzard donât know if they do horde 95% evil or 95% alliance, they are probably chocked that we donât want those only 2 options, pathetic.
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Thatâs how itâs always been though, new players dont see the Broken shore scenario in Legion etc
I just leveled a new character through Legion content and had the option to do the Battle for the Broken Shore scenario.
But when Shadowlands comes out, theyâre going to make things completely disjointed with BfA compared to what we see today. No references to Teldrassil. No references to Azerite. They wonât have any reason to even look at Silithus. Thereâs virtually no continuity in BfA that will lead into Shadowlands.
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I think this probably has more to do with that Calia Menethil cutscene about her leading the undead into a new future.
I thought Lillian was going to do that? Either way, I hope youâre right and that weâre not going to see Sylvanas turn into some hero we never knew we neededâŚ
Think the battle of Zuldazar will be retconned to? As if that never occured? Gotta question everything these days with the current narrative team. Like at the end of WoD. Gromm âDraenor is Free!!!â Yet he was one of the bad guys that started it and gets to walk free at the end.
I think they regret a lot of story decisions that have been made in the game.
They are trying to pivot the storyline by re-contextualizing different events where possible and outright shoving under events under the rug.
Nothing, so far, seems to be an outright retcon. It just seems like they are doing their best to omit ANYTHING that would let the player character feel ANYTHING LESS than heroic.
For long time players who know the story? Too late.
For newer players who donât? They get to buy in to the fantasy without knowing the dirty bits. (Unless they go back and play previous XpacsâŚwhich will then lead to plenty of question threads on the forums).
Why pivot the story?
I think the backlash from what happened in BFA.
I think the story that happened in BFA is fine and built on what came before. The problem, is that the result is that it wasnât NEARLY as âshades of Grayâ as advertised. (And quite frankly, the Faction War hasnât had shades of Gray in itâŚat allâŚfor a while now).
While thatâs my opinion, itâs not the opinion of everyone. They probably think they went too far and had a number of characters (the Horde) painted as villainsâŚand there wasnât a way around that. SoâŚbest thing to do? Hide it.
Ret-conning would be an even bigger problem.
Actually they can do morally grey⌠for the Alliance.
Attacking the vulpera because they were transporting azerite for the Horde? Thatâs morally grey.
Sending a large number of soldiers on a suicide mission to distract from the Allianceâs main attack on the city? Thatâs morally grey.
Tyrande throwing the head of an orc into a moonwell as part of a ritual to demand that her goddess give her the power to annihilate the invaders on her peopleâs ancestral lands? Thatâs morally grey.
Burning down a tree-city in order to kill hope? Thatâs not morally grey.
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When they advertised morally grey, they meant both sides were going to be doing things that were questionable.
The Alliance has done a few things that were.
But compared to the Horde?
The Horde started the War. Genocide on Night Elves.
The Horde shacked up with the Zandalari (who prior to xpac have tried to end the world or harm the factions a few times). Then used the Zandalari to attack KulâTiras (which at THAT time had not officially joined the Alliance).
In the Battle for Lordaeron, Lich Queen Sylvannas made undead out of her own troops (the warcraft equivalent of a war crime).
Over and over again, the Hordeâs actions are far worse than what the Alliance did.
You might say, well none of those actions were morally grey, they were morally dark.
The point is how the xpac was advertised. How the story was advertised. And not delivered upon.
The story, by and large, was not Grey. Both sides were not doing terrible things in equal measure. By and large, in fact, one side was doing awful things quite frequently, while the other occasionally engaged in acts that were questionable.
Hence why â> it seems like they are trying to sweep all of this under the rug.
They think they went too far. They donât want anyone who goes through the game to feel like their characters are not heroic. Are not the hero (in the actual definition of the word, not simply being synonymous with protagonist). So, they sweep stuff under the rug. Re-contextualize certain events, remove / revise text from others. Obfuscate what happened. Easier to do that than a retcon.
Thatâs my opinion.
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Knowing what we know now it actually makes a ton of sense imo.
From their perspective they died honorable deaths. In service of their people and their goddess only to end up in the Maw.
They failed in their fight, the people they were protecting all died, and now they can hear their souls screaming as they themselves endure torture meant for the absolute wicked of souls.
Where was Tyrande? Where was Elune? Where was their promised rest in her light?
Despite doing everything right and fighting to the last, they still arenât worthy enough to be saved by Elune.
Damn her.
And then they hear a voice, âI come to offer you a gift.â
Be real, youâre in super hell and the one offering you a way out was the one who killed you. Would you say no to that?
Some will say no and stay, and they did. But if the question is switching sides or an eternity of torture thereâs not going to be a ton of people saying no.
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The characters I level still have an option to.
Just got my Zandalari to 110, and yeah I had to meet the orc outside Org and opt out of the Broken Shore scenario.
Itâs still there.
If they still can I did not know this. Either way I still highly doubt they are going to do a retcon on this scale.