Worlds? As in plural?
The Horde managed to destroy one world. One.
And lo and behold there are people still living on it as well so it’s not like it’s a total loss.
And the only reason that the the other threats haven’t destroyed more than they could have is because the Horde or Alliance or combination managed to stop them before things went too far.
I think thats bad enough but ok and besides they were well underway of wrecking AU Dreanor too.
I thought a big trend here was that the Horde was absolutely useless when it came to defeating the Legion and in BFA the Horde was conspiring with Old god minions.
Kinda like before.
Most of those posts are mostly debating the scale at which the Horde is evil for those that mistakenly believe otherwise.
As for the racial holy war to murder the children of your enemies.
There is one person that actually did it… and thats you amigo.
See what I mean?
More extremely normal things to say.
Incidentally, I’d like to thank OP for making a thread so bad it got the hategoat to finally go completely mask off. Hey, diehard Alliance posters: this is you. This is what you sound like.
If you’re referring to what was happening during WoD, the Horde and Iron Horde were two different entities. The Horde being one of the groups fighting against the Iron Horde.
If you’re referring to the Mag’har at the time they were being recruited as an allied race, it looked to me that the naaru, Y’Rel, and the lightforged were a much bigger threat to AU Draenei than the orcs.
Fighting the Legion was much less a factions conflict and much more a class halls effort up until Velen and the Vindicaar. Even so there were still Horde alligned peoples present and involved. They just didn’t get as much screen time as some of the more Alliance aligned characters.
You mean Sylvanas conspiring with Azshara to set the Horde characters up to die in Naz’jatar? I think it’s safe to say that by that time, Sylvanas had stopped being Horde, if not sooner.
Horde is Horde.
Old. New. MU. AU.
Makes no difference.
If I’m to choose between one Horde or another, I’d rather not choose at all.
Yrel was just light forging them to make sure the orcs don’t pull a Teldrasill/Theramore on them.
Probably because their contribution was negligble.
As Saurfang said Sylvanas is the true inheritor of what it means to be Horde.
So ha! The child killing maniac you call a hero has enough self awarness to make the comparison.
I have been saying these things for a long, long time now. Its nothing new.
Always wanted to see how goblin slayer would fit in other series.
I guess that view of ignorance is to be expected of an Alliance who would refuse to try and make that distinction. It doesn’t save you from being wrong though.
No she wasn’t. She was being the naaru’s sock puppet in their effort to subdue all beings into their sway. Just like Xe’ra tried to do with Illidan.
Makes you wonder if the orcs were right to not trust the draenei from the beginning.
It also makes you wonder if the Light really is any better than the Void.
Contribution is still contribution. Even so, I was there to pick up their slack, so it’s all good.
Saurfang was just despondent and full of doubt about the future of the Horde. Luckily Anduin was there to pull him out of his funk. Now with Sylvanas gone, Baine, Thrall, and the others can go on to build a better Horde.
At the end of the day all these different variations of the Horde went off the wall and tried to murder everyone and everything like the monsters they always have been.
You could claim I am wrong but I am stating something factual.
The Orcs brought it upon themselves.
And what happened to the Alliance and Azeroth at the hands of the Horde and its orcs is further proof that they need to be reined in.
And Saurfang still corrected him about it and Andiun relented.
You could go back a thousand years and the Alliance would still have cleaner hands than the Horde.
Honestly we have been debating so long I don’t even know what your point is.
That the Horde is not a murdering and genocidal maniacs? Because they are.
And you pretending that changing a few seats and a round table is going to absolve those very same people standing shoulder to shoulder with Sylvanas would ever make up for their blood drenched history.
At some point you are so far gone that no matter what you do, you can never be clean. Some part of me… an evil part… hopes that everytime the Horde player talks to an Alliance race NPC they would berate the Horde player for the monsters that they are due to BFA and past actions.
Is this RP or ?
No sir. Not at all.
Agreed. No one ever tried to state otherwise that the Horde has blood on their hands. Lots of blood. And that past will be with them for generations to come. Saurfang even states this during his conversations with Garrosh back in Wrath.
This wasn’t the issue in question though. The fact is that you’re still wrong about the Iron Horde and the Horde being the same thing. However, you’re not required to acknowledge this so if you want to keep treating them all as the same, feel free. No skin off my nose.
If the arakoa were there instead of the orcs it would have been the same scenario. Forced lightforging, perhaps under the pretense of not allowing them to be a threat again, but really it was all about control and power.
What happened next?
Oh, right! They both agreed that Azeroth, their mutual home, was worth fighting for.
If you went back a thousand years you would see that neither the Alliance or the Horde were present. Either organization is no more than half a century years old.
If you’re trying to say that Horde will always be more dirty than the Horde, perhaps. You seem to want to get down and dirty and get some blood on your hands as well. I’ve been trying to tell you that such a thing won’t come out as satisfying as you think it would be. You might get a rush in bashing in the skulls of tauren babies. However, when it all came to an end, A) Horde would still exist as a faction and B) whatever NPC who was in charge of that would either be killed as a boss, ran off in disgrace, made into a PvE enemy to both sides, or realize they were wrong and give up their warlike ways. Which would bring you right back to these forums raging that the ending wasn’t as satisfying as you wanted.
This is why faction v faction as story needs to be buried in a hole in Area 51, paved over with cement, and forgotten for all time.
That’s a shame. I was hoping that Turalyon and I could go back to being pals like we were on Argus now that the war is over.
She’s just angry that Horde fans exist.
Well thats just not true but they do frustrate me with their misinformation.
Actually as long as I get that fun sequence of killing Horde where it actually matter I don’t care what happens.
Especially if it involves gold boy himself.
Its a win win in my book.
They both killed draenei and tried to wipe them out from existence.
Both of them tried to invade other worlds to kill more.
The only difference, at least at first, was skin tone and a little fel.
Indeed.
The Alliance fired on the Horde’s Warchief at Stormheim. That is why the Horde fought back with the fires that burned Teldrassil.
Except our fires had Troll Mages igniting the catapults, and Troll Shaman helping spread the fire across that ill conceived tree house.
The Eredar destroyed Argus by welcoming Sargeras, and they brought the Legion to Draenor. Kiljaeden the Eredar Lord put on a drag show to seduce the Orcs, and to give them the power to destroy worlds.
Your Space Goat lectures fall flat.
Furthermore, the Night Elves brought the Legion to Azeroth to begin with.
Your Alliance is filled to the brim with world destroying people. They just had more time to seek redemption than the Horde races. Thousands and thousands of years.
It is not always about convincing people. Sometimes its just commiserating about our blood thirst.
See! this is what being Horde is all about. Thanks Curse.
I knew I could count on you.
/tips hat
I live to serve.
Isn’t it? You strike me as someone who would be much happier if the Horde were stricktly all NPCs and a PvE enemy so you could smash them with impunity. Since it’s a player faction, you can’t do that, which you seem to be bitter about.
Says the person who’s been grossly exaggerating their wrongdoings since this thread began.
So you keep claiming but…I just can’t help but doubt it.
My overall point has been if the Horde could kill things on a massive scale like Teldrassil then why shouldn’t I be able to? And I have no moral dilemma doing so… let me do it then.
And most of the time I bring this up some hysterical Horde poster has epileptic seizures as they proclaim I want their faction deleted.
My bitterness comes from the fact that you get what you want while I don’t.
Blizzard bothers to develop your story while mine is largely ignored.
I don’t get what you mean.
I explained earlier how and why a BFA scenario reversal for me would be perfectly fine.
And kicking out Andiun of the Alliance is just the icing on the cake.