Trust is a two way street. Both sides have plenty of reasons to mistrust each other given their long history, and until that trust is established, there is no reason to open yourself up to potential threats. Even before the War of Thorns, we couldn’t trust each other with Azerite. How is it more reasonable to trust the Alliance with unhindered access to one of our city gates?
The horde has started two major wars that turned into wars of genocide against the alliance, sorry but the horde has to prove to the alliance that they are to be trusted in the first place.
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I agree that the Horde has a lot to prove to the Alliance, but just because I wronged someone doesn’t mean they should have a key to my house.
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ashenvale isnt the key to the horde house, its the heartland of the nelves for 10000 years
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It’s both, which is why I opened with this:
Blizzard put Orgrimmar in a dumb spot to generate hostility between our factions, and it sucks. I would love for Orgrimmar to move, but that’s not realistic, so we’re stuck with two options.
- The Alliance gets control of land 20 feet of Orgrimmar, which is rightfully theirs.
- The Horde controls a small piece of Ashenvale for the security of their capital.
It’s stupid that we are left with these only options, but Option 2 is more palatable to me, as a Horde player, especially since the Night Elves already have a ton of land. Amadis is asking Horde players what we want with the armistice, not what we think we deserve. I’m answering the question by saying my only interest in Ashenvale is border security.
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Theres mountains and a river the horde is fine
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And if Horde gets to control the mountains and the river then I’m good.
you get to control one side of both, and i am pretty sure the mountains are impassable as the horde never climbed them in both invasions
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Hard to believe those tiny rocks are impassible, especially when I’ve seen Night Elves that can turn into birds in the blink of an eye. Also hippogryphs exist. If Night Elves can scale Mt. Hyjal, the rocks around Orgrimmar are no obstacle.
horde gunships exist and they didnt use those, and they got flying things too, lets not play that game
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Sure, except Kaldorei land, which you can see was never settled by any Troll tribes.
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Nelves are trolls so I dont get why your telling a nelf player to be careful
Which would put an air battle inside Orgrimmar. That’s not ideal, especially with a gunship that could come crashing down (as they tend to do). The Horde should line those rocks with towers. Which means the Horde should have control of the mountains.
Who do they need to prove anything? They are not in a position of weakness compared to the alliance they managed to get a peace treaty without showing any remorse for what they did, compensating for it, returning lands or anything.
You know, the more I think about it, Elegy and a Good War sure do cast Night Elves in an impossibly good light. After all, a civilian army which lacks its military is written as a comparable challenge for an eight nation army.
Then? Cataclysm is retroactively canonized to have a fort retaken from the Horde by some NPC no one has ever met before.
Maybe there is something to consider with Elegy and A Good War being written by the same author in the same time period irl as Before the Storm after all.
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post proof
Let me, as a member of the Horde, try to sell you on number 1 being the better option for the Horde.
I see three ways for the next faction war story to be written. The Horde invades the Alliance again because they’re simply jerks or working for a jerk, the last three reasons we were occupying and slaughtering in Ashenvale. The Horde invades the Alliance again for a good reason that the player is encouraged to feel righteous about, the situation promised to us by A Good War only to be chipped away slowly by the rest of the expansion and finally severed completely by the revelations of Shadowlands. Or the Alliance subverts expectations and invades the Horde for whatever reason.
I think keeping Ashenvale makes the 1st option more likely, and losing Ashenvale sets us up to be in position to maybe see the 2nd and 3rd options. I’d rather see option 2 or 3 for a change.
I’m not sure the Alliance playerbase’s morale can take too much more so let’s leave the next scuffle as a military action instead of a war or something.
No more killing civvies; occupy territory without imprisoning or killing or enslaving or torturing the populace. Either put them under martial law or force them to evacuate, under escort, so a safe location so you can have your base.
Only way to make the next loss for Alliance less bitter, because all the hollow victories and all the defeats that cause massive casualties really makes the blue team feel helpless.
Not really up to us I’m afraid.
But don’t worry, it’ll be a solid 2 years, or longer, before we get another ‘put the war back in warcraft’ expansion like Mists or BfA.
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Those are compelling meta reasons to let them have Ashenvale, but you don’t need to sell me on meta reasons. I’m so confident that Blizzard would never dare tarnish the halo around the Alliance’s collective head that I’m not worried about them attacking us at all. And frankly, if Blizzard were so inclined to make the Alliance the baddies, they wouldn’t need Ashenvale to do it. We marched our butts all the way to Teldrassil.
But when I put myself in the story and view the world from within (which is something the writers should be doing), does it make sense? I say to you, nay! The Night Elves are the one group within the Alliance with the biggest bone to pick with the Horde, and they aren’t afraid to act without Anduin’s approval. Horde leaders should be negotiating on the Horde’s behalf and cut us the best deal possible. I want WoW’s writing to take a step closer to “good writing,” which means the writers need to consider things they usually pay no attention to, like how important Southfury River is to Orgrimmar.
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