Horde Favoritism?

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It’s not a question of whether I care or not it’s a question of whether the zone actually has anything actually compelling there: Like theres no quests, factions, rares or anything that would actually be compelling as content in 2024 aside from a pair of glasses that you can fish out of the water.

Yeah theres locations that got wrecked, I’m not going to deny it. I am however going to point out that the two locations you’re referencing weren’t exactly bed rocks of plot and narrative and that with two of these locations (south shore and stone talon) they existed in the game for less time then they have not existed and that in the case of the latter Garrosh was so disgusted that he actually executed the officer who was behind it.

  • Orgrimarr is the capitol of the Horde so it can’t actually be neutral unless the faction divide goes fully dead.
  • Silvermoon is purportedly going to be neutral in TWW and the only issue I have with that is how it’s going to be Catnip for Helfers.
  • Suramar is effectively neutral in any interaction with it; the majority of the city is just as hostile to my Nightborne mage as it would be to your Worgen.
  1. You’re conflating Models with rigs. This is bad form.
  2. The one race just so happens to be the one that Alliance have been screaming about since January 16, 2007 and got a slew of customization options added because they couldn’t stop begging for Blood elf options so they could pretend to be High elves.

They needed more options because it was incredibly hard to make anything that looked half decent and that isn’t even factoring in how a launch race almost assuredly has more options (this is also assuming that said Nelf isn’t a Druid in which case your options go to the moon).

You literally complained about this in your last post as something that was being “stolen”… despite earthen having never been horde or alliance.

The Alliance has consistently gotten “stuff”, amongst that “Stuff” has been an overwhelming narrative focus by the writers to the point where it feels like the horde is stuck being side kicks to the alliance.

I pointed out that this was Irony before, now it’s moving into hypocrisy because it seems really clear that you are offended by the writing and the plot.

The only fault with mechagnomes IMHO was that the didn’t have Druid as a core race option. Beyond that they’re an absolute sleeper hit of a race between their narrative themes and their their powerful racials.

Sorry that they’re not pretty enough for you.

As to the Vulpera: yeah they’re adorable and they were a hit but the backlash against them as a response to this was close to that of the Mechagnomes since people were offended by the idea of a cute race of furries being added to the horde and just triggering everyone from the ultra chads to those who reflexively hate on furries to the alliance players (such as yourself) who are in a perpetual victim complex.

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No, just like none of those locations are equivalent to Silvermoon.

Like I said, don’t want it. Have it back.

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They are still never ending warfronts. The victory is useless, since it’s not shown in the game.

That is for gameplay purposes. In lore the Alliance still won them back.

Just saying I don’t want them. Do you see much excitement for Earthen? Maybe eventually Blizz will get that it’s not giving us anything special.

Yeah which is why I pointed out that they do messed up things to both.

I’d just like to have Horde quests from Horde NPCs. Or if they are neutral quests come from neutral or our NPCs.

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Pendulum. :mantelpiece_clock:

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Yes could they please do things like update UC and take Org out of Garrosh era? And fix UC’s bugs?

I know that they are updating Silvermoon, but now Alliance are like, gimme that. Despite that being in no way in comparison to a closed off city only starting characters could go to, a city that was created to be neutral that even they won’t go to, and some rocks in space.

And we never asked to be in those places to begin with.

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I like how I took the portal to UC because I wanted to confirm the current status of Gilneas and I just died because I apparently hadn’t done the plague quest on this toon… but I had done the liberation of Gilneas so as a result I just kicked the bucket in the mage quarter.

The worst part of it is how it’s got people taking as a sign for the Nth time that “this means we’re getting High Elves!” and then going berserk about it and when it inevitably leads to nothing they start screaming about how hard done by they are and how this is all some terrible affront to the Alliance player base.

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Yep that and the flight point doesn’t work.

Yeah that’s been happening since TBC. And why I think they rail on about cities we did get (that we don’t want), a race we don’t want and a visage form we didn’t ask for. And why would they think they’d get fox people when all they keep asking for is flavors of elves and elf stuff?

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oh there were many quests there, several of which sent you as alliance, to fight the ogres, murloc, naga, and hostile humans, plus travel quests, profession quests. southshore was a big deal

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It’s gold to me how the tables turned on this topic over the years.
Once it was Horde favoritism, now it’s Alliance favoritism, and having been through all the nonsense of the game’s story I have to conclude it’s favoritism for their own trash writing.
Gilneas? Effectively slam dunked into the garbage, single WORST questline in the game, then rendered neutral territory despite the whole attempted genocide in living memory.
Orcs? Can’t blame the demon blood for their mass killing after WoD. Some noble savages, they’d tear you apart for a klondike bar.
The list, and my laughter, goes on.

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It’s the classic dichotomy; if a Horde city gets raided, it’s Horde favoritism because the story is about them, if an Alliance city gets raided, it’s Horde favoritism because they get a free ticket to attack blue castles.

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The biggest thing I noticed was that they seemed convinced that the Sethrakk were going to be theres which… made zero sense owing to how the story lined up since the Faithful (the ones we worked with) were more friendly to us then the alliance and the others kind of hated everyone.

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Hard to argue with this one, though the source of the complaint these days is that horde doesn’t really get much time in the spotlight relative to the alliance and that whenever we do it’s invariably to be villain batted.

The quest was actually decent from where I’m sitting; I’d be curious what makes it worse then some of the absurd ones we had in previous expansions.

The WoD orcs were manipulated by Garrosh and wrathion into thinking that Azeroth was going to invade and conquer them and that all of the orcs allies would betray them.

Hence: war.

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And WoD Orcs have nothing to do with our faction. It’s an alt reality bubble.

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Yeah, Like of all the orc leaders we see in there, the only one that was actually part of the thrall horde at any point was Grom and he was… not great.

The others were:

  • Nerhzul: Died trying to escape Draenor, had his soul removed and twisted into the lich king.
  • Blackhand: decapitated by Orgrim for being a fat lazy figure head.
  • Kilrog deadeye: Died in a duel with Danath Trollbane.
  • Korgath bladefist: remained in hellfire citadel until we killed him during TBC.
  • Fenris wolfbrother: Doesn’t appear to have existed outside of the AU timeline.

So outside of Korgath (who was a full on felorc) and Grom (who was ~again~ not great), all of them were dead long before the events of WC 3.

Oh yeah: almost forgot Orgrim. Dude was a legend to be sure, but he died before the events of WC3 but not before he recognized Thrall as his successor.

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This is just your personal opinion though. For me, Silvermoon is just the Goldshire of the Horde (which sadly, it truly is on my server).

It is actually shown for Darkshore. But it’s very hidden and specific. No normal player will see it, you have literally to do every quest and find even a hidden quest to get this scene. My oldest brother stumbled over it by accident, no one of us could reproduce the steps he took.

There is only “Alliance”-favoritism because they have become an asset for Horde mythic guilds. Otherwise no one would even care about them. The past arguments were “story alliance, gameplay horde” but this has also died with it, because some very specific people on these forums realize that they have been posting like fools and wasting their life time on defending a game which never cared for them in the slightest.

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Is not dichotomy, cause i never complained about that. i’m not those elf players who complained about Teldrassil. If depend of me, the burn of Teldrassil would be a full raid, would be more epic than a merely event.

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You’re sitting on insanity.

It begins quickly, with Mia Greymane, mother to Liam Greymane who died in the initial reclamation of the city back in Cataclysm by taking an arrow meant for his father, chiding Genn Greymane, who watched his son die in front of him as a result of the Forsaken’s invasion, for responding poorly to being met with Forsaken presence the moment he sets foot again in his country. Tess, for that matter, is alright with them as well, the leaders of the political entity that killed her brother.
They’re both objectively detestable at that point, and so, too, is Genn for just letting them do it.

But it’s not just the Alliance characters that are idiotic fiends, no, it extends as well to the Menethil broad and her Rogue lackey as well. Because they know the Alliance, specifically Genn, sent their agent undercover to observe the goings on in Lordaeron during the denouement of Shadowlands. And yet they, knowing the history between their two nations and in particular with the ruling family of Gilneas, don’t even bother to extend a similar courtesy, however performative it might seem.
They’re tactless morons, both for neglecting to even mask their presence and for letting the city be taken by the Scarlet Crusade to begin with.

On the topic of the Crusade, what are they even doing there? Why would they retreat to Gilneas, knowing full well the history of the place and the Worgen affliction, after their defeat on Lordamere when we know Hillsbrad is as nearby, doesn’t come with the same weather conditions that necessitated Harvest Witches to keep the people fed, is no longer Horde dominated because Southshore has long since been reestablished, and is a stone’s throw from another human kingdom they could petition, even if fruitlessly, for aid in Arathi?
Because they’re idiots, because they didn’t make that decision on their own, because they were piloted there by the Magic Idiot Ball the writers tend so often to bandy about between the various characters and factions in the setting in order to support whatever story they so desire.

Back to the Forsaken, they’re called upon by Tess in the first place because they supposedly have some special knowledge when it comes to dealing with the Scarlet Crusade. They literally show none of it during the quest, so it’s safe to say they just don’t, because everything that’s done in the quest is nothing that is uniquely Forsaken outside of the obvious HURLING BLIGHT CANISTERS FROM THE SHORELINE JUST AS THEY DID DURING THE INITIAL SIEGE AGAINST THE NATIVE GILNEANS IN THEIR EFFORTS TO DISPLACE THEM BACK IN CATACLYSM. And even THAT is a pointless addition, because ANY siege implement – ballistae, Dwarven / Gnomish artillery, glaive throwers, etc. – would have achieved the exact same effect of pinning down and distracting the Crusade before the cathedral. You can’t even say it’s because they’re Forsaken that it worked so well as a distraction, because they’ve long since written the Crusade to just be a bunch of mindless racists despite the statues of their heroes in their monastery’s armory, so ANY would have worked to that same effect.
So the Forsaken offer NOTHING that ANY other race could have offered. They do nothing uniquely Forsaken, they offer no special tactics in dealing with the Crusade, and in ANY SANE WORLD their presence would have been to the detriment of the Gilnean forces present to retake their city. BECAUSE THEY WERE THE REASON IT HAD TO BE DONE TO BEGIN WITH.

Then Tess moans about how bad a father Genn is, how terribly he was affected by WATCHING HIS SON DIE TO PROTECT HIM. How bloody RANCID of soul does one need to be to think like that? It’s disgusting, deplorable, and for it she earns what but the bloody crown of Gilneas. Whoopdy-doo, slay queen, yaas and all and sundry.

Then Genn naffs off to his son’s grave. And there he bemoans what? The Wall. Why the Wall? What has it done in this? Nothing. It’s done NOTHING. It’s not the reason the Forsaken decided to invade, it’s arguably among the litany of reasons the Scourge didn’t march south and massacre them all in the first place. But he’s there, over his son’s grave, moaning about it like it’s part of the reason his kid’s dead.
I’d like to think I don’t need to explicitly mention why exactly they’d chose then to have him mope about a wall, because these writers have the subtlety of a two ton mallet covered in warning lights direct to the groin, but I’m pretty sure it’s not the Greymane Wall they’re actually bemoaning.

And the rewards are trash, too.
A fox mount? Gilneans HUNT FOXES for SPORT. Maybe give them a stuffed fox toy like that bear you can find in the Zskera Vaults, but as a mount? Absolutely nonsensical.
The Gilnean noble’s finery? Steaming garbage apart from the helm and shoulders, and it’s basically giving the helm and shoulders that should have been part of the actual Gilnean heritage set to all races, because the actual heritage shoulders were complete afterthoughts and a monocle with a top hat shows well more effort than was actually put into the heritage top hat, so that’s just great.

Oh, but we get a teleport.
To a capital with no amenities.
That’s effectively neutral despite the attempted genocide in living memory.
Doesn’t even have a flightpath, by the way, and the closest one in the region is Horde only.
Very pog.

WoW’s writing is a tumor.
This quest is a tumor growing upon that tumor. It’s tumor squared, and I wish that I had never had the misfortune of going through it. I felt no satisfaction, I experience no catharsis, and if anything it rendered the actually decent Worgen starting experience worse because I now know THAT is how it ends.

Exactly, no demon blood required.

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horde has more interesting races, despite me bein a belf fan
i like to be around all the others diff races n got a goblin , tauren n undead afkin.
alliance borin af but i like the goats.

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If anyone calls that favoritism, their dumb quite frankly. The only asset Alliance has, and it’s a asset for both Alliance and Horde guilds pushing top tier content, Dwarves racial passive Stoneform.

Its old BElf passive all over again. People complain because it forces them in a place they dont want to be. Alliance didn’t want to play BElves to be top tier back in the day, Horde don’t want to play Dwarves to be top tier now.

Has literally nothing to with favoritism and everything to do with Blizz not caring, again.

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i agree
:dracthyr_comfy_sip:

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Regardless of semantics, the Thalassians are a people.
… And the majority of them are aligned with the Horde. :smiley:

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