Horde cheating in pvp

they q’d as merc and vote kick the highest alli healer well done blizzard

Lol, thats funny.

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The only reason someone cues merc is for increased honor. They want a win if they are going in. I dont believe they randomly picked the most geared healer and kicked him for no reason. Likely (as you are not posting on a main) you did something to piss them off and they kicked you.

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You’re just being lazy lazylock

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Ally think everyone who mercs is a troll.

i see all this talk about how horde throw games etc all the time.

and all i do are bgs and i have seen this MAYBE once or twice in all my time of playing both factions.

Most of the people that complain in chat are alliance as you can shift click peoples names and see what race they are. They just give up easy because they know they can go to the next queue

What are the odds that they are kicking a merc’d horde healer?

You’re probably right… but also, I’ve learned to never underestimate the depths to which humanity will sink, for the lulz.

>.<

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this does actually happen, often enough that when playing a game with some ally friends, they mentioned it, i said the same thing yet in the very next game we had a horde merc trying to throw the match.

I’ve played alliance this entire season and haven’t seen it once. I don’t see that many mercs in general.

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i see plenty of mercing, but the names i know aren’t throwing matches, they are either playing to win, or realize they got the worst luck in the world and will sit off to the side.

that doesn’t mean horde mercs dont throw the game, and it also doesn’t mean that ally mains dont also have horde toons they throw games on as well. a real common one is tanks and heals, stuff like healers not healing anyone but themselves the whole game or tanks intentionally resetting trem.

Never said it was impossible. i have seen it happen just its VERY VERY rare

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Isn’t sitting off to the side effectively throwing? I mean dang, I’ve been in my share of lost causes but I still play them out to the best of my ability.

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depends on your perspective, losses can still be fun provide people are having fun, but im not going to blame someone for sitting off to the side if they dont want to end up with a negative kdr for the match.

its also a complex question because to the player trying to win, the player off to the side is throwing the match. the “fog of war” on this situation is that the tryhard may not know what the sidesitter knows, or visa versa. and both end up thinking they are right.

Do you intend “sitting off to the side” to mean guarding a point, or non-participation?

Does this matter?

they can be both sometimes. often in IoC its good from a strategic perspective to let the losing team have mid because it common for a lot of players to give up and “guard” mid.

leaving mid to the losing team essentially enables and slightly encourages this.

in the grand scheme of things no, kdr isn’t even tracked on the scoreboard, and its something you need to manually calculate based on your stats, however to an individual player it might matter a lot. there is a person behind the keyboard and they need to have fun or else they wont play with you any longer.

Obviously this is just my perspective, but guarding points isn’t throwing. You’re still actively contributing to the success of the game, generally just taking a role nobody else seems to want to do. Sitting off to the side though, that’s a different matter. That’s what people do when they do when they’ve given up and just want the game to end quickly. It defeats any possibility of a turnaround or positive outcome, and honestly should be a reportable action.

We used to be able to report players AFK, but sadly that option got removed. Not sure what Blizzard was thinking there.

WoW PvP isn’t about KDR though… it’s about wins and losses. If you spend all game defending stables, for example, and all you did was stop a single ninja cap all game, that still could very well have been the thing that won the game.

Folks may not get this, and that’s fine, but it doesn’t justify pouting in a corner because your team is currently losing.

(To be clear, I’m not implying you do this or accusing you of anything. I’m just responding to the statement you made.)

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i put guarding in quotes for a reason, the players sitting at mid are not guarding it, they will kill enemy players who try to take mid, but they aren’t going to actively help you win, ie, they wont leave mid, wont escort demos and wont help take hangar in any way, they are just sitting at mid with 20 other people waiting for the match to end so they can say they are guarding the flag if you try to call them out on it.

absolutely everyone is guilty of this.

IMO, there is a difference between not participating and throwing, you can sit off to the side, you can “guard” a flag and that isn’t throwing a game directly. throwing a game is doing stuff to intentionally cause your team to lose such as feeding kills or driving the siege engine off the map in IoC.

people aren’t robots, they have emotions. we go around playing on each others emotions intentionally. pvp is more than just my character killing your character, its emotional pvp as well, players are trying to stay calm and focused while intentionally trying to upset and tilt their opponents.

add in the fact that pvp attracts competitive personalities and you have a lot of passionate players all going around intentionally pushing each others buttons. so yeah, people are gonna sit off to the side and pout, that’s part of the game.

Get rid of merc mode. Problem solved. It’s a system that only benefits one faction to the detriment of the other.

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We’ve had several threads about mixing factions, basically randomizing teams and making it red vs blue. everyone likes the idea except for a few who want to hold on to faction identity or RP fantasy.

personally, my issue with mercing is that they change your toon to an ally race and mess up my mog. defeats the point of being a mercenary if i am just going to be changed into an ally troop anyway. an orc merc should still be an orc when playing on ally team.

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