Except this is playing out excactly as it did in BC when horde started the scorched earth strat.
Youâre right I didnât think horde were stupid enough to try it again. Apparently in NA classic they are and guess what the exact same thing that happened then is happening now. Horde queue times are spiking as alliance stop queueing.
Ultimately without major map changes(not just moving the cave) itâs hordeâs choice whether this continues because of their map advantage.
But yeah enjoy your queue times.
I do. 
I also enjoy a massive win rate in AV.
Thatâs fine, guess what, itâs going to keep increasing. Enjoy 
I do and I will continue to.
Continue to enjoy the 
version of the BG that you almost solely supported.
Cool, except you didnât say that in the same spot that my quote was referencing. But we agree.
LoL, you give me too much credit, the discussions for 1.12 vs earlier version were nearly even one way or the other.
And as I said an earlier version wouldnât solve the current problem, but since you donât even understand the basic issues with the map you donât understand that either.
Your ability to revise history on a continual basis, across multiple subjects is admirable.
I guess weâll never know, will we?
I understand alliance has a myopic view of what bothers them in AV, and when the good players left for the HPH pinatas of WSG and AB, we were left fighting the dregs.
edit: if you can even call it a fight when the opponent rolls over so readily.
Not as admirable as your ability to deny a current situation.
Werenât private servers being zerged as well?
Alliance arenât rolling over they are maximizing their rep gain based on the situation they are in. That shows the exact improvisation you claim to want them to. That upsets you for reasons.
Sorry, still not upset. Post it a few more times. 
Yeah, no they werenât.
The great irony is that zyrius, one of the small handful of those who insisted 1.12 was the superior vanilla AV version, insisted that the AV race would not be a thing if players instead PVPed and defended. Fast forward to the same guy bemoaning the current state of horde doing precisely that, mislabeling it as âsCoRcHeD eArThâ and blaming the map because of alliance inability to race.
At least horde seem to be woefully lazy about using the retail backdoor to Vann still.
Yeah you seem real mad about your queue times.
The real great irony is that despite all your claims that horde are simply better at pvp in classic they canât seem to grasp simply concepts like map advantage and why when exploited the other side simply wonât play that map, a concept retail horde picked up on real quick in retail.
You seem really mad about your AV win rate.
But you didnât prior to Blizzard giving Alliance pre-mades the axe.
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Nope, still not.
Nope, never claimed that either.
Both sides have advantages and disadvantages.
Perhaps alliance should âexploitâ some of their own map advantages?
Why arenât you playing retail then? Or did you never stop playing retail and are just in the classic forum due to your love of fishing?
That is your claim though, alliance are bad at pvp and donât try and thatâs why they lose.
Yes and when one sides advantages outweigh the others by a large margin, well there you go horde map advantage in AV.
Retail pvp in general sucks, classic pvp only sucks because of horde in AV and premades.
Nope. No such claim. The good pvpers moved to the other 2 bgs for higher hph. A point that you continually ignore, when not blaming on the map.
An advantage that is used far outweighs advantages unused.
But horde are simply doing what you advised in the past, and defending. Doesnât seem like the alliance dregs like that all that much.
And you fail to understand why that happened. Itâs because of the map.
The map has no relevance to the hph difference. The only time AV was the best for hph was prior to diminishing returns.