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Ret with the 11% nerf could still be ahead of everyone else for all we know.
We have 0 data on how anyone is doing at max level, its disingenuous to pretend like anyone is allowed to “blast” in any scenario.
You don’t know and I don’t know.
There aren’t any sims, there aren’t any logs, we don’t have details, the DPS meter of blizz isn’t in either.
What we need are sims, averages on different bosses and situations for ALL dps, with no bugs mostly and with a good sample size.
We literally do not have any of this.
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you are focusing on damage during a time where it means nothing
be more upset that alot of ret bugs are still around
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I feel you and this was my argument as well. It just doesn’t look good that we got an 11% overall nerf and no other class getting hit like this. That being said, Ben and Arahgon are right….
Basically beta is supposedly gonna start everyone at zero. A clean slate so to speak. I’m sure adjustments will be constantly made. They’re usually on point about these things. Let’s first wait and see where we’ll stand later on as Ben and Arahgon are essentially saying.
That’s normally my philosophy/approach as well.
If you mean me and Ara, mostly.
Blizzard… eehhhhh 
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the thing with ret is that the devs NEVER want to make ret a top tier spec like they do every xpac with both ranged hunters, and well ranged in general.
Anytime ret performs well they get knocked down to almost the bottom of ST dps and mid in aoe.
This is true.
My thinking is that they know how popular ret is, so if they make it non-meta (although an excellent spec) people will still play it. This has been the case since DF.
I’ve always stated in the past that I myself don’t want ret to be meta because if it is, it will always have a target on its back by Blizzard for the nerf bat. And as we’ve seen in the past, sometimes they get heavy-handed.
I’d rather stay off of Blizzard’s radar and be competitive with most other specs.
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Ret was perfect,now they are going to mess it up. Guess I will switch to one of my Remix characters.
how are they messing it up?
I disagree. Id say itbwas far from perfect but seeing no meaningful changes in the now past alpha weeks and now beta is worrying. I only started caring about ptr betas and alphas from 9.2 but it sucks to be a spec left behind with no iteration considering it needs a lot of work still.
It plays the same, the only thing that changes is that you need to care about your Holy power.
What are they messing up?
So they made it like Frost now, since you actually have to care about runes and runic power now. I just liked that RET was really was easy to play so I could focus on the dungeon or raid mechanics rather than staring at my Holy Power or action bar.
Paying attention to the abilities you’re using was always required, however you choose to do that is left to you.
If you can play without looking at your bar now I don’t see why you couldn’t come Midnight, weird cognitive leap.
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I hear what you’re saying but the payoff of paying attention to our HoPo is now far greater hitting spenders.
Besides, a lot of people have been clamoring for more powerful spenders. I guess Blizzard is giving them what they want.
That being said, I highly doubt the gameplay will be drastically affected.
having a resource matter isnt bad though. you can pay attention to hopo and do mechanics
well the issue here is that the top dps specs arent being nerfed, they have stayed on top– namely BOTH ranged hunter specs.
its especially insulting when ranged dps can stay far out out harms way AND have 100% dps uptime.- and these hutner spevs can DPS while moving at range and BM doenst even need LOS to dps
mm hunter has casttimes tho
You either have a resource or cooldowns, either way you have to pay attention to something, and i prefer resources generally speaking.
This idea where you can just do the rotation and pay 0 attention to anything leads to extremely barebones gameplay with barely any interactions.
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We don’t even know who they are.
Whose the 6th best DPS on Beta?
Show us the charts you’re using to assess who are top and bottom.
mm can be so far away it doenst matter cuz they dont have to hardly move.
cool if your in freaking africa during raid then your playing mm wrong
as much as we love to meme onrange mechanics being easier than melee, range has to deal with their sfair share amount of bs, sludge fist says hi