Honest Feedback

[Athcaelas-cairne]

Dude, you’re so off in another world it’s not worth responding to you. You’re hostile, believe only your experience is the right experience, can’t even acknowledge that workers can be bad too.

There so many fatal flaws with your logic, that you will never see because you think you’re already there.

For the record I have no “attempts”. That’s another projection by you. These are always my genuine opinion.

So, whatever, you can respond and act like you won, but I won’t be responding to you because you’re not discussing, you’re fighting, and don’t care to actually listen to anything else besides your omniscient option.

You can easily not answer me if you disagree and can’t handle it, but do yourself a favor and just don’t bother reading my posts, or do something else, because you targeted me, that’s weird.

[Arjax-thunderlord]

Here you go lying again. Is that what you have to do to try to feel correct about something? I have never said workers can’t be bad. I said I want you to cite a source when you say most workers at home are lazy and bad. You can’t, you have no evidence. I at least backed up my own opinion with actual data.

If you have nothing of value to say, maybe you should spend some time self reflecting? Any thread where someone has valid posts about Blizzard slacking off, you immediately just start shaking your fists and blame the unions, or workers at home, or people striking for better conditions.

Painting yourself as a victim and attempting to gaslight me here isn’t a rebuttal, its just someone with nothing to say, thrashing wildly to try to scare someone off and illicit angry reactions. Telling you that you’re wrong or should cite sources isn’t victimizing you.

[Tiffany-ravencrest]

@Arjax-thunderlord

Stop pretending like any of these companies are doing poorly. They are up on the year, and up on their 5 year.

Yes these companies are doing well. And why? It is because they put making money as their number one priority. Than you for proving my point.

[Arjax-thunderlord]

There is a difference between feeding off whales who can’t help themselves, and putting effort into good stories, good mechanics, etc. Just because they made bank off a 90$ mount doesn’t mean they are doing well.

[Catelan-aerie-peak (Catelan)]

@Zaarel-khaz-modan

Companies who provide poor products also go out of business.

They’ve lost this 18-year formerly devoted customer. I’ve been thru a lot of “stuff” with Blizzard over the years but this team has done things that - well - disgust me.

[Hirai-moon-guard (Hirai)]

Retaining customers is not something Blizz has been doing all that good with.

See, if you provide a good quality service that people are happy with, they will happily spend extra money on the little things. A mount here, a suit of transmog there, so long as it is reasonably priced.

However…

When the game is riddled with bugs, there’s maintenance every other day, and it’s clear they can’t get their crap together and they think that people want to dump $90 into a mount when they obviously haven’t held up on their end of the deal to provide a good quality experience in the game, well…

Sure, some whales will buy it.

However, these are whales. They have more money than they know what to do with and eventually they will get bored of WoW and/or they are part of a dwindling population. You can milk those old teats for a buck here, a buck there but they will eventually dry up.

Or you could get yourself some new cows, make sure they are happy, and take care of them and they will provide entire tanker trucks of milk instead of trying to get one more jug out of that old cow that’s about ready to dry up.

[Quenya-shadow-council (Quenya)]

@Jeje-area-52

access to a well designed, mostly bug free “fun” gaming experience.

New to AAA games? It hasn’t been that way in decades. Since the main streaming of digital downloads

[Jeje-area-52]

@Grizzle-eredar

So blizzard gives the people what they want. Then when you see the end result of what you asked for, youre appalled and dont like it.

No, Blizzard is not giving me what I want. When/if they “choose” to listen to the players it’s been a bit hit or miss. Blizzard is making more work for themselves in a lot of situations and compiling problems. I’ve seen this argument before “but the players” and then justification for issue existing. There are a lot “results” that seem unintended and poorly dervied. Blizzard is to blame for them being the way they are at the end of the day.

@Quivermethis-rexxar

Posts like this are so dishonest. You completely ignore everything else and focus on the singular thing that upset you.
The bruto.

You’re dishonest, After my lengthy post about several subjects you choose to focus on the one thing that is clearly on your mind though. I’ll give you my opinion on it further. After fighting for tokens on the AH for a solid day I stared at 6 tokens in my bags for another day feeling slight disgust (this was my first time ever buying tokens off the AH). I then decided to buy the bruto. Figured out that I needed another token to cover taxes so I bought another. Then I finally was able to obtain my bruto. I do “like” him, I think he’s helpful… but that feeling… I had while I stared at 6 tokens in my bags returns most times I mount him. He should have been a purchase I could make out right for gold in game. But I had to play “the game” so “things” could happen for Blizz and tokens. It did not leave me with a warm and fuzzy feeling.

@Quivermethis-rexxar

Ignore the raid. Tw vanilla. Cosmetics. Silly little mini games. Secrets questline. Etc.

Lie, Lie, Don’t care about cosmetics over game play issues and bugs. Mini games are pure filler and unrewarding (I could go on about the current ones and have in other threads). Secret questlines actually seem fun, but when I realize that everything in this game needs a guide to do already it’s just more work for me that’s not explained well in game.

@Tiffany-ravencrest

We have no idea how much they are making on the $90 Bronto. We can be pretty sure it did not take all that long to develop, what with it being so close to a reskin of an earlier Bronto.

I have no idea what they’re making with the bruto or how much they’ve manipulated the token/store conversion metrics in the past. I didn’t engage with any of it until this expansion because I’ve always been too gold poor in game/paid a monthly sub fee. It’s an awkward system that I’m really not too fond of now that I’ve actually experienced “how it works” when there’s a high volume of people cashing their gold in for store credit. This is low quality content for high rewards though. Blizzard may even make more off of store/token sales than actual sub fees. What is going to drive the content creation then? If low quality reskinned mounts nets them revenue with such little work. Why strive to fix glaring issues with the game?

I find it sad in the pinned thread above… how they’re treating customers who have lost guild bank items. A lot of them are “whales” who proclaim that they will no longer buy store items. Why do you think that is?

@Rabititus-shuhalo

So ya know, QA walked out.

QA doesn’t exist. This expansion was not ready and we are the beta. Feedback was not listened to when it was relevant at all. Talents are a cluster ****. Quality as far as the game operates is at an all time low. Design wise, it’s beautiful. Story wise it’s meh (especially for Horde).

@Liolang-daggerspine

The problem is…we had the first Bruto…and they took it away.

The problem is… this was Blizzards “logic” for removing the first bruto.
Looks Like the Mighty Caravan Brutosaur might Be Unobtainable In 9.0.1 (Part 1):

@Kaivax

In this case, we want to ensure that in the long run, years from now, we don’t find ourselves looking around and seeing AH mounts that are as common as repair mounts are today.

Which is quite the opposite of what is actually happening in the “long run”. We’re now over run with what Blizzard claimed was something they were trying to prevent… when they “took it away”.

@Arjax-thunderlord

The feedback in the OP is mostly due to corporate greed and poor management from Blizzard. Thats all. They need to do better.

Thank you.

@Quenya-shadow-council

New to AAA games? It hasn’t been that way in decades. Since the main streaming of digital downloads

No, and your dismissal of “hasn’t been that way… yadda yadda yadda” doesn’t add anything of value. This is still a subscription based game despite the token/store revenue they’re taking in and that money isn’t being spent well due to the glaring issues of a newly dropped expansion.

[Pyri-shadowsong]

@Slotmachine-sargeras

Cool post , but i didnt read it

nice

[Pyri-shadowsong]

@Jeje-area-52

We’re now over run with what Blizzard claimed was something they were trying to prevent

are we? the bruto parades that happened the day it was released are done and gone. i see a couple AH mounts up at a time in dorn, just like before it was released.

[Jeje-area-52]

@Pyri-shadowsong

are we? the bruto parades that happened the day it was released are done and gone. i see a couple AH mounts up at a time in dorn, just like before it was released.

I see them everywhere… when I’m farming in the middle of no where will see the mount “below”. Still several with-in eye range in the main areas, especially in Dornogal. I’m part of the “problem” even.

[Tiffany-ravencrest]

@Arjax-thunderlord

There is a difference between feeding off whales who can’t help themselves, and putting effort into good stories, good mechanics, etc. Just because they made bank off a 90$ mount doesn’t mean they are doing well.

There is one thing about WoW that has been consistent. Ever since Cat came out people have been insisting that the product is doomed. Despite this they have remained the unquestioned top MMO on the planet for most of the time since.

Now I challenge you to name one “whale who can’t help themselves” that has helped to make this happen. Anyone playing any video game that they decide they don’t like can easily walk away and there’s nothing anyone at any video game company can do to prevent this.

The idea that a $90 Bronto has this power is little more than a cynical joke.

[Henceforth-area-52]

@Jeje-area-52

TLDR: So you’ve scrolled this far, I just want them to fix things in the game and internally.
Expect to get trolled on something, that’s what happens here. But this is my feedback.

Welcome to World of Warcraft.
A lot people been here for about 20 years.

[Hirai-moon-guard (Hirai)]

@Quenya-shadow-council

New to AAA games? It hasn’t been that way in decades.

This is why AA and Indie is absolutely killing it.

Seems like every year some solo or small team dev/self-publish game comes out and sells millions of copies and becomes a huge hit overnight. Things like Undertale, OMORI, Stardew Valley (well ok that one was published by Chucklenuts but eh), Terraria, etc.

And it’s awesome. We get to tell the AAA studios to go look at those games to figure out why the Triple As suck.

@Jeje-area-52

No, and your dismissal of “hasn’t been that way… yadda yadda yadda” doesn’t add anything of value. This is still a subscription based game despite the token/store revenue they’re taking in and that money isn’t being spent well due to the glaring issues of a newly dropped expansion.

They aren’t exactly wrong. Most Triple A studios are trash nowadays. Ubisoft, and Crashesda are right at the top in releasing broken unfinished crap.

We, the players, have higher expectations and demands on Blizz, because we’re paying a subscription fee.

We deserve better than what we’re getting.

We shouldn’t have missing sound effects/wrong sound effects a week, month, heck, Year after the bug arose.

We’re actively paying for this game.

AND they want us to pay $90 for a mount.

Go look at Warframe. Free-to-play. Yes, there’s a premium currency, yes you can buy equipment with said currency that you pay $$$ for. However, it’s (mostly) reasonably obtainable in-game, and the stuff you can buy with platnium won’t make you overpowered out of the box, it just skips some grind.

You log onto Warframe, and play the game for an hour and tell me if you find any bugs.

Hint: You won’t. the game is 99.9999% rock solid stable, bugs are usually fixed very fast if they ever make it onto the Live servers. Say what you want about grind, farming, etc the game is at least working as intended. The only issues that game has, are Host-related (Host Migrations, etc) but that’s unfortunately not something they can fix without a HUGE budget in making servers to replace the Peer-to-Peer methods they use now for missions/matches. That’s not the game’s fault, but rather people using potato PCs and what might as well be dial-up internet.

Then log onto WoW, make a dracthyr Warrior, and point at the OBVIOUS and glaring bugs you see in the first 5 minutes that anybody with a pair of ears would have noticed immediately.

EDIT: I am starting to think that some of these people in these threads play WoW and only WoW and they have either forgotten, or don’t realize JUST HOW BAD it is to have glaring and obvious bugs like this in a TRIPLE A PREMIUM PAY TO PLAY game.

You are paying $15 per month and $50 per expansion, to get a game riddled with bugs, constant downtime and crap just not working properly.

No other Premium Game does this.

And You People Are Defending It.

[Arjax-thunderlord]

You’re right, all those people who financially doom themselves with anything from gambling to shopping, chasing that high of spending money, can totally help themselves.

I mean you know this kind of predatory behavior is part of the basic PSY101 class right?

[Tiffany-ravencrest]

@Arjax-thunderlord

You’re right, all those people who financially doom themselves with anything from gambling to shopping, chasing that high of spending money, can totally help themselves.

So should everyone be prevented from gambling, shopping and spending money because of the problems a few are happening? An example of this took place back in the 1920s when prohibition was implemented. It was a disaster. All it did was to create a black market for organized crime to prosper.

[Bigbadanugly-durotan]

wow so we are the ones to be blamed?
I do not own a billion dollah company…
And if you go back and read the beta feedback, not all but many said “do not release the expansion in august, but november - thanksgiving.”
My main is a lock, each week I had to change my setup due to constant nerfs/buffs.
It was affli then demo then destro then demo again. When a spec starts to do ok (not being overpowered just doing ok) I am afraid of it is going to get nerf’d.
We haven’t told blizzard to micromanage almost anything and everything, they choose to do that. Meanwhile the game is a bugfest…
So, if you are telling me the players are to blame for all the broken things, yeah sure buddy, we are responsible… lol.

[Grizzle-eredar]

@Bigbadanugly-durotan

So, if you are telling me the players are to blame for all the broken things, yeah sure buddy, we are responsible… lol.

Yes.

When a cake requires an hour to bake and you demand it be pulled out and served at 45 minutes…well…you get an unfinished product.

[Joonhwa-stormrage]

@Grizzle-eredar

“Lack of quality from Blizzard” is more attuned to burnout that any actual change from Blizzard

This is the only expansion in which Blizzard suffered massive data loss that caused entire guild banks to lose their items irretrievably. This is not a player perception problem. QA has been noticeably absent these past couple years.

[Grizzle-eredar]

@Joonhwa-stormrage

This is the only expansion

Thats cool and all, but the claim was made since 2016 and forward.

Which aside from the bank hiccup, its on par for the course