is bm hunter is defined by keeping up frenzy stacks then the class need a rework.
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It kind of is and I agree. A lot of people counter BM huntersâ plea for improvements by the fact weâre a âtwo-button specâ (fury warrior says hello). I played BM because I liked the fantasy of fighting alongside pets with high mobility and no cast times; not because I have a 4 button rotation.
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if people are saying you suck on bm if you can keep up 3stacks of frenzy its time for a class change.
Probably the worst feeling about BMâs underperformance is ironically the low skill ceiling. The rotation is so easy that you very easily reach a point where it canât be L2P and just⊠the spec isnât in a good spot.
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And I can agree with that however itâs kind of comical when the people saying the spec is unplayable have a 50% uptime. At that point itâs not the spec.
if bms performance is based on keeping rng renzy stacks up its time for a change imo.
Iâm in the âitâs playable but severely underperforming camp.â I usually have atleast 96%+ uptime except for fights like guardian which at that point weâre just sitting there waiting for the adds to spawn and be gathered because they get literally nuked.
Frenzy isnât a ton of rng. Wild call is sure, but if youâre consistently timing your barbed shots correctly you donât need to rely on the refunded charges very often. It follows a pretty precise pattern - frenzy lasts 8 sec, each time you cast it this 8 sec restarts. Bestial wrath refunds two charges with Scent of Blood talent. Barbed shot reduces CD of bestial wrath. KC on CD and cobra shot to fill when not doing the above assuming ST. ezpz
The spec needs a little complexity.
Maintaining frenzy stacks really isnât that hard.
Frenzy can be mantained with near 100% uptime if managed correctly and without any RNG in relation to the rotation. Itâs just a tight window. RNG procs just make it slightly easier.
The change that is needed the most, right now, is to the tier set. Itâs boring and underperforming, almost as if it was designed as an afterthought. Tying it to Frenzy stacks is understandable, as the power of the bonuses is entirely dependent on the skill of the player, but it needs a tune-up to be in line with other set bonuses.
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âEmpowered Cobra Shot.â Imagine if MM got âEmpowered Steady ShotââŠ
@snozzdrip You can attack people who link logs as much as you want. they are not clueless and numbers dont lie. You say that BM is âunderperformingâ, but not âseverely underperformingâ yet on the âbestâ fight for BM according to your own metrics, the spec is 5% below the median and 16% from the top (95% heroic 1 week). So i guess what it comes down to is, your definition of âseverely.â Gives us how far off the top or median we would have to be to fit your criteria?
You and Bullet are both clueless and donât understand the numbers at all.
You should focus on maintaining frenzy stacks so your dps improves.
@Snozzie See, we talked about this earlier Snozzle. Its classic troll behavior, when presented with numbers, facts, science, etc to default into âyou donât understand âXâ at allâ but never say how the person in presenting the data incorrectly or presenting additional data that may contradict. Itâs also classic troll behavior, when presented with a simple direct question which may lead to an uncomfortable answer, to try and chage the narrative by bring up something irrelevant but inflammatory. So stop being a troll, and perhaps give us your opinion.
Unplayable is a subjective definition in this case though, as the dictionary definition would imply that it actually canât be played.
Personally, I donât think the spec is âunplayableâ, but itâs shortcomings are glaring for the entire world to see. For that reason, the meta slaves that run high keys and mythic raids donât want to invite BM Hunters to their groups. When you routinely parse purple or orange and still canât get into groups as BM, the spec becomes âunplayableâ for many.
I routinely see arguments that I should just play MM or SV, but thatâs not an answer to the problem. I would rather play a different class than play MM/SV, so I did. If, and thatâs a big if, Blizzard fixes the BM tier set, I might go back, but Iâm finding Warlock to be easier and more fun than Hunter anyway.
I already have. Here Iâll link it for you AGAIN.
The only area of the game where you would be penalized or sat for playing BM is in high end content. Other then that BM is completely viable.
I have yet to see anyone who parses purple or orange having issues getting into groups.
The fact that you mention âmeta slavesâ and people who run high keys makes me feel like youâre probably a heroic raider(which is fine) and think youâre not getting groups because youâre BM.
Youâre also posting an alt which reinforces that idea.
I personally donât understand the mind set of only playing one spec. I play a hunter. I play a warlock. Iâll play whatever spec is best for the situation.
@Snozz And its been explained to you multiple times, by multiple people, that the 95th percentile is used as a benchmark for the maximum output of the spec and that you are ASSUMING that those playing BM at that level are not playing it optimally and if âbetter playersâ switched to BM the numbers would magically improve. That ASSUMPTION is a fallacy for several reasons including the fact that you yourself STILL play BM on Skollex. Also we are solely talking about Sollex here, nothing else to make it even easier for you to grasp. Stop being a troll!
I know how 95th percentile works. Iâm not the one listing things I donât understand.
What You are failing to understand repeatedly that the percentile doesnât matter at all when the fights donât favor BMs damage profile.
Percentile doesnât affect the issues caused by weak tier sets.
Thereâs literally a disclaimer.
So like I keep repeating. You donât understand what youâre linking.
Thatâs not an assumption Iâm even making. BM hunters issues on Skolex are because of weak tier. Itâs why they are behind.
Stop being bad and educate yourself.
- I post on an alt, because the WoW community can be toxic and like to bring forum disagreements into the game.
- I parsed purple on my Hunter pretty much ~90% of the time. The random early deaths that result in a lower parse, or the RNG lucky string of crits that resulted in orange parses making up the other ~10%.
- My guild clears Heroic, but has yet to move into Mythic. However, I have attempted to move into Mythic with other groups on my own. On my Hunter, I was declined every time. On my Warlock, Iâve managed to get the first two bosses down and weâre close on the third.
- In keys, I had only short delays finding groups running 15-17 M+, but mostly because my item level overcame any concerns they had about my spec. I have only managed to find three groups to run two 18s and one 19. All were timed, but I was still 10-15% behind the other DPS.
- Thatâs great that you like to play multiple specs and classes. I donât have the time or inclination to dedicate that much time. I prefer to optimize myself to being the best I can be at the spec Iâm currently playing.
@Snozzie See it is this stuff that baffles me. In post after post after post, you say ad nauseum that the damge profile of BM hunter is single target. So I reduced the discussion to the single target fight Skollex on heroic difficulty. Link the log, break down the numbers. You then pivot to well âyou donât understand the logs.â So i press what exactly donât I understand and you write âI know how 95th percentile works. Iâm not the one listing things I donât understand. What You are failing to understand repeatedly that the percentile doesnât matter at all when the fights donât favor BMs damage profile.â WTF dude. I has been simplified for your benefit to include the one raid fight that EXACTLY fits you criteria of BMâs damage profile. How is this tough for you to grasp.