I also see your grey and green heroic parses.
It shows you dont understand BM hunter let alone MM or survival
Iâm terrible. Those Mythic raiders arenât, but Jesus himself couldnât overcome the handicap of this spec as it stands today.
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The mythic raiders arent playing BM because its a ST spec and the fights are multi target with higher priorities.
There are 60% more Mythic SotFO BM logs than there are SV logs.
And those are on the early bosses where more people are killing entry level bosses.
A basic understanding for the theory behind how mechanics work, vs not always managing the practical side, the execution of events, these arenât by any means the same thing.
Someone can be excellent at working out how things are/should be in theory, but for X reasons, that same person may not be the best when it comes to execution. This isnât aimed at anyone in particular, itâs just a general statement.
They seem to want to have BMs niche be ST damage yes. Sadly, it barely holds up in this area either. Regardless of whether it has set bonuses or not. And either way, having a niche(certain strength) doesnât mean that it should be abysmal when it comes to areas outside of said niche, for example, AoE.
Nooneâs is asking for BM to be on par or better at AoE, but with or without our set bonuses, BMs AoE is absolutely dreadful. Itâs the same every single expansion these days, BM relies entirely on borrowed power to even come remotely close to most other specs in terms of AoE(Wild Spirits as an example). And if more borrowed powers are added that do not adequately provide a boost to AoE/Cleave etc, then we basically have nothing.
I believe most people here are aware of how BM is being developed as a ST spec, and that our set bonuses areâŠless than ideal. Still, these arenât valid excuses for anything.
Unless they change the fundamentals of what BMs supposed niche is/should be, no. But again, see aboveâŠ
If you believe this then, instead of repeating the same thing here, about how bad X person is at the game, why donât you elaborate on why BM isnât as bad as people say?
Okay, so BM is in fact not really in a good spot?
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Frenzy stacks isnât the only issue though. They keep linking 95th percentile logs not realizing why BM just isnât being played for the majority of the fights.
Pre set bonuses BM was holding its own especially in single target encounters.
However once set bonuses came out, Survivals 4 set gave it a 40% increase to bomb damage and the MM set bonus was close to 30% gain if I remember correctly. However BMs bonus is awful. This means that both MM and Survival got space on BM on a tier that heavily favors add damage and multi target damage.
Iâm not saying that BM doesnât need some small adjustments on top of its tier fixed. What Iâm saying is itâs still playable outside of the top top end.
Itâs not an excuse. Itâs an understanding of the issue.
BMs niche is st fully mobile damage and some people think itâs aoe should be on par with Markâs.
I have multiple times. In a nutshell itâs poor tier coupled with 9 out of 11 raid bosses not favoring BMs damage profile because itâs pure ST.
Itâs in a decent spot that needs its tier fixed the reason I said itâs not that bad is because people can still play it and be successful with it. Linking the top parses from the raid first
Itâs not all doom and flood like bullet claims it is.
Yeah but like your clueless .
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@Lego@Snozola. You guys absolutely kill me. People point out the fallacies in your argument, you attack them. People give you data, you ignore it, Case in point: âBMâs niche is single targetâ yet on Skollex (Heroic 95th 1 week) here we are well below the median. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/29#boss=2542&difficulty=4&sample=7&dataset=95. Then you counter with, well you use 95th percentile but all the âgood playersâ are playing other specs. Well, one we use 95 since that is the best approximation of maximal ability of a spec and two all the good players have switched is a ridiculous assumption considering there still 4000+ BM parses. But then, and here is the fun part, you move the bar a little more with âBMâs Niche is single target AND mobilityâ Crafty indeed. But again its been pointed out if thats the case we should be topping the meters on Halondrus, but sadly we donât. So I have to ask Snozzie and Legoless, if we are 24/24 in raid and F tier in M+, how are we not as bad off as people are saying.
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Being playable doesnât equate to being fun. And this is a game.
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Do you even read before you respond? Every point you made has been brought up and addressed already.
1: there that many BM parses because BM is a popular spec. Those parses are early bosses and stop at Anduin.
2: The man issue with BM is tier. BMs tier bonuses are bad.
3: the second issue is that BMs damage profile isnât good for the majority of fights in SOFO. Thatâs why there arenât any parses for BM for Anduin and past that.
4: when you compare terrible tier to terrible damage profile for the raid fights you get where BM is now. BM isnât top tier even on single target fights because of tier.
5: BM is viable to twentyâs at the minimum in mplus
The moral of the story is that while BM isnât performing top itâs not just one thing. Itâs multiple things that are exacerbating the issues. BM is great on tyranical weeks especially on explosive.
I feel like people in this thread are arguing for the sake of arguing despite agreeing.
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We arenât agreeing. Bad players are saying BM is unplayable. Good players are saying it has issues but itâs still playable.
Itâs playable in that a good player can do respectably. Itâs unplayable in that our tier is awful and being bottom ranked negatively affects our ability to be successful in group content due to player perception.
Most people in this thread will never reach the point where BM is unplayable. That point exists, however. We arenât really alone in that category, though.
I think also the lack of a definition of unplayable is part of the issue.
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I have come to believe that it is me, in that whatever spec I choose to main, itâs always at the bottom of the barrel.
So if there is a takeaway⊠donât play the spec I am mainâing 
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The issue with why BM is so low is that the damage profile is just so weak for so many fights. Take mythic artificer as an example.
During the fight you have groups go to different platforms to kill a spawn on 5 adds. You have 15 seconds to kill these adds.
Now which profile is going to be better?
The Markâs hunter than can burst all the targets with cleave or the BM hunter with slow ramp up and beast cleave?
The issue is you have a few players in this thread linking logs of the top 95% and not understanding why the logs are skewed that way.
Iâm not saying BM is in a good spot. I am saying itâs still playable and not as bad as some people are saying.
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Yeah, and other people are saying that BM should be buffed to where itâs somewhat closer to other specs in certain areas, and in other areas, where itâs supposed niche should be, it should be buffed to more reliably pull ahead[slightly] of certain other specs.
Thatâs all. I donât know why youâre debating that.
Take the 95th percentile parses of heroic then. You keep saying BM hasnât seen enough of the end bosses. Itâs a BS argument. Literally all the data points say its behind by a considerable amount. What is your argument gonna be nowâŠgood players donât clear heroic anymore? All the best hunters went SV and MM? Are you Jen Psaki IRL telling us the state of BM is Putins fault lol? You work in PR or politics?
Months of feedback from the PTR that hunters gave were ignored. When tier was 100% to cobra shot we were in a good spot with a single target identity and a purpose. I wouldâve been fine with that. We asked for some aoe dmg in our tierâŠgave dozens of legit suggestions. And we got this 200iq 10 sec beast cleave. I honestly want to meet the person who came up with that and see if it matches what I picture in my head.
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You literally donât even understand what my point is.
You canât even understand the argument let alone the data.
The same thing that itâs been. BM tier needs buffed but aside from that BM isnât as bad as the grey parsing hunters are saying it is.
Do you even read before you post?
I never debated that BM tier needs buffed. I clearly am pointing out why itâs behind because people clearly donât even understand what a damage profile is and why BM has taken a backseat to MM and SV
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Lol thatâs right only YOU can understand the data or the argumentâŠofcourse. You come here gaslighting people with your BS for the last month. Insulting ppl on their parses and frenzy uptime like youâre something.
When people like you are presented with evidence to the contrary you just dig in deeper or change the narrative. Iâm almost certain youâre trolling at this point just to piss these ppl that are frustrated with something they invested alot of time into.
BM is factually and statistically bad at most raid and mythic plus content at the higher end of thingsâŠand the perception trickles down. Hell i play affliction and BM and my afflock feels better in most content at this point. But only you understand why itâs not the case. You provided me with a few laughs thru a slow work dayâŠat least I can thank you for that. Just noticed youâre on malganis Iâm gonna hit you up for some knowledge and understanding personal style that only you can give me.
I play the specs I like Aff and BM because I enjoy the playstyle and Iâm not going to compromise by switching specs. I expect for my 15$ to be competitive and somewhere around the median for performance.
As it stands now Iâm not getting anywhere near that.
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