Yeah no. Someone that can’t even manage frenzy stacks isn’t winning any arguments.
Linking information you don’t understand and doesn’t mean what you think it means.
Hopefully the main take people take is that they ignore the hunters that can’t perform (Bulletproof and Dochunter) and listen to the ones that do.
BM hunter aoe isn’t bad. It’s just not affected by tier in a damage boost like MM and SV set bonuses do.
The main issue aside from tier is BM has zero burst outside of spirits.
Oh Snozzie, you crack me up. Weeks of badmouthing people who point out your inconsistencies, contradicting yourself left and right, failing to understand basic principals of gameplay, and the topper on your particular cake of BS, you switched to MM. Lol you go bro. Be your authentic self.
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You crack me up as well considering how out of touch you are.
I have only bad mouthed two people because you can’t perform BM basic gameplay.
I also haven’t contradicted myself at all. You’re lack of understanding isn’t me contradicting myself
I haven’t failed anything. You’re the one that can’t figure out how barber shot and frenzy stacks work.
I am a hunter. I play all three specs. I’m not someone that limits their gameplay because I only play one spec.
I have always been authentic. The difference is you’re the one stuck on heroic bosses and I’m not. If you ever want to actually get better at the class let me know and I will give you a hand.
Oh Snozzberry, I have a favor to ask. it’s a simple one. Work on yourself. You need a lot of help and I can’t give it to you. No one can. You have to want to help yourself.
It’s among the worst, depending on the scenario. But no, not the absolute worst. Either way, this isn’t really an argument against any further attempts at bringing BMs AoE/Cleave somewhat closer to the other specs.
Honestly, if they revert the ‘fix’ that was done to the Cobra shot dmg boost, that’ll do its part. Wouldn’t exactly make us top dps on ST, but that’s not the goal anyway.
For AoE, you know my suggestions already.
- Kill Command benefiting from Beast Cleave. Dealing reduced damage beyond 8 targets.
And for 10.0.
- Kill Command benefiting from Beast Cleave, same as above, just as part of the base spec.
- A Murder of Crows, a class-wide talent option, and then BM gets an exclusive option through talents to further boost its damage, and also allowing it to benefit from Beast Cleave, dealing reduced damage beyond 8 targets. This then gives us some needed burst AoE, that is very much thematically in line with BM itself.
Basically, this allows us to up our cleave/AoE potential in ways that aren’t purely passive boosts to Beast Cleave damage, but brings in mechanics that require you to manage them further, for optimal throughput.
Depends on what you compare it to.
Agreed, see previous post to Cog.
I don’t need to work on myself. I’m sorry you can’t understand facts man.
Imagine being so out of depth you resort to trying to insinuate I have mental issues.
@Snozzle Imagine being so wrapped up in your own personal illusion that you think gameplay validates your concept of self worth. You need help dude. The game isn’t real. You are not superior to anyone else, you are not smarter or better equpped to understand complex problems because of your gameplay abilities (which btw are open for all to see). Stop trying to put people doen who disagree with you. Stop dismissing their arguments with “I am better than you” statements. And more than anything else, spend every day looking at being a better Snozh instead of being a troll.
LOL now you’re really reaching. The fact you think I get any self worth from this game is ignorance at its finest. I base my self worth on my family and job. Not every that’s decent/good at the game has their self worth wrapped into the game.
Actually I am smarter than a lot of people. Not everyone understands things the same way.
I haven’t put anyone down.
When having a discussion about class performance people’s ability to play said spec are a factor. When you don’t understand BM hunter basics how do you expect to understand all three specs of hunters let alone the rest of the specs in the game? I’m not pointing out your lack of ability to poke fun. I’m pointing it out that you need to focus on that before trying to act educated on a subject you aren’t.
I’m a great person. You’re the one here slinging personal insults and insinuations because you are wrong on something.
Take your own advice my guy.
And for those advocating tier set design changes as a method of “fixing” BM hunter, while it’s not out of the realm of possibility, it is highly unlikely. There are two reasons for this opinion. First, over the last 6 weeks or so, Blizzard has implemented a large number of hotfixes to classses both buffs and nerfs, but these have largely fallen into one of three categories: bug fixes, flat percent increase to damage modifiers, adjustments to AoE target caps. We have to go back to the very beginning of this patch to see any effective changes to the tier set designs, which for BM hunter meant the inclusion of an empowered beast cleave. Blizzard appears to be very reluctant to change “broken” tier set bonuses through design modification at this point which may be a resource issue ( i.e. developers have been tasked with other projects so only “easy” fixes are being pushed through) making it unlikely that BM’s tier set will have any meaningful rework. Second, the ‘easiest’ tier set rework, as noted by several of you, is to change the damage modifierr of empowered cobra shot by an additional 60%. This would be a welcome change and would likely move BM hunter from near middle of the pack single target raid damage throughput to at or near the very top. It would also dramatically increase our ability to perform well in mythic plus, especially on tyranical weeks. But Blizzard has been very reluctant in the past at making these type of changes. They prefer to make incremental changes to bring classes from the bottom to the middle. Therefore it is more likely that we will get a increase in our AoE throughput, or all damage in general , than a massive buff to Cobra shot from a tier set bonus.
Snozzleberry, in your own words" I have only bad mouthed two people because you can’t perform BM basic gameplay."
@Snozzilla Apparently you have a tough time between distinguishing overall class performance with personal performance They aren’t the same. Undoubtedly there are better players out there than you or I, that doesn’t make their opinions better, worse, or even more informed when discussing class balance. Also since we like facts here in this forum, or at least I do, your top performance average in heroic raid is 71% with an average of 56%. If you remove the one fight you switched top MM, your top drops down to 69%. My top performance average in heroic raid is 68.8%. In mythic +, you have an IO of 2548. My IO is 2682. Tell me again why youthink you are such a better player than me., therefore more understanding of the spec?
Honest Q, why not just put each other on ignore and move on, dudes? I keep seeing this thread get bumped to the top of the forum day after day and come here expecting useful discussion (more fool me, I know) and instead it’s just the two of you squabbling about each other’s IO score or intelligence or logs or w/e.
Does getting the last word in a pointless internet spat really mean that much? Just put each other on /ignore and move on.
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Well unfortunately Snozh kinda hijacked the post. Sorry for the feeling it has devloved into what was not intended. In my defense, i often try to add something of value to discussions outside of Snozh. I hope those can become the norm for everyone again.
That was stating a fact.
False. I can understand both and understand how multiple factors affect each spec.
Actually it does. When you’re performing better it means you have a better understanding.
Example being that your performance on BM is so poor no one should take anything you say seriously.
I also have two kills in heroic that you don’t which raises your average.
Because IO means absolutely nothing. I don’t push keys. The keys I do are mostly for vault or to help a guildy with their vault.
You can’t maintain frenzy stacks. You don’t understand damage profiles or how specs work.
I’m not the one with the issue. The problem is Doc put forth some information and that was incorrect. He got corrected with data backing it up and resorted to insulting people and trying to be a armchair psychologist.
All my posts have been correcting incorrect information and trying to explain the data.
First, learn what a paragraph is. You type like a toddler. Second, telling someone to work on themselves while starting every reply by purposefully calling them out of name is a new level of stupid, which says a lot given the normal posts on this forum.
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