At this point I’d rather have mythic+ follower dungeons than actually play the real mythic+ with how awful and unfun it is.
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I came back after quitting at start of season three in dragon flight. I enjoy delves, I am also disappointed with what they have doe to mythic plus.
I was pretty casual getting 2.2k and 2,5k rating in seasons one and two. This squish and the dungeon selection for this season has made me not want to do mythic plus.
If it wasn’t for delves i would simply unsub, I enjoyed slowly doing Mythics and working up a zero now being the equivalent of a 10 is not how i enjoy progressing.
The old seasons of slowly working up from 2s was way better now the learning curve and damage is just off the charts.
Whoever thought this squish was a good idea should reevaluate the design all its done is lock out players who would normally dabble in mythic plus as their preferred content. Since i don’t raid i will probably unsub earlier with delves not being enough to keep me engaged for a whole expansion.
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How are delves the “fast food” version of dungeon crawlers compared to Mythic+? Additionally, how are they lacking in “fantasy” compared to Mythic+?
Mythic+ is literally the most fast-food dungeon experience you can get. It’s built around the idea of ignoring everything aesthetic and interesting about a dungeon and blitzing through it as fast as possible just so you can get shiny loot at the end of it. There is no “fantasy” in Mythic+, all people care about is “mechanics” and the meta. It’s about getting in and out as fast as possible in the hopes of an upgrade, while having no time to admire the actual dungeon experience whatsoever.
Meanwhile Delves aren’t timed so you can take all the time in the world to admire the aesthetics of the delve and explore to your heart’s content. You can also willingly choose your difficulty level and climb the difficulty ladder, without worrying about your “Tier 10” Delve bricking down to a “Tier 5” or some other dumb nonsense. If you mess up in your Tier 10, you can simply attempt again with no issue whatsoever. You can take as long as you need inside it. You can actually pay attention to what’s going on.
Delves are more akin to actual dungeon crawling compared to the fast food “GO GO GO! GIMMIE CHEST, NO WIPES OR WE BRICK KEY” lifestyle of Mythic+ haha.
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Seems a odd comment since they actually have fantasy behind them. I’d be curious if you feel the same about the M+. I mean, drop a key into a thing to make it harder? Its a mechanic we accept but has no lore what-so-ever.
This isn’t a good thing. Having no timer just makes everything in them trivial. Also, you are free to explore the Delve after you complete it so that isn’t even a good point (most of which is just empty space).
Timers really wouldn’t matter much to a lot of delvers.
I spend more time chatting in delve chat than the delve takes to finish 
not kidding, If I just do the delve it’s like 20-30mins.
Most times It’s like an hour cuz I’m typing in chat
Lot’s of fun.
not sure how it works for m+, but anything that slows the group down prolly get me kicked.
So I’m guessing chatting is frowned upon.
I can do most delves in less than 10-15mins. So yes, a reasonable timer will affect people who move slow.
Chatting is fine in M+ wasting time is not. There is a line between the 2.
My main is a healer.
I find the delves pugs very fun (with their changing maps) and with a more fun rhythm as well; heal, be able to do damage, marked and relaxed intervals. Also it doesn’t have a timer.
I’m hardly doing M+ because I prefer delves.
My summary: much less toxic behavior.
My request: please do not put the delves on any website that establishes a ranking.
Let’s go back to the good old days of playing for fun and not for ranking.
Why would delves need a timer?
So they can be mythics, of course.
We shouldn’t steal any more of m+ identity from it.
They deserve to be unique from other content
So that you can’t afk while waiting on cd’s to cheese your way through it.
They should present some challenges.
They do.
not all specs are equal.
No they don’t.
No competent player has any issue in delves.
ahem, excuse me but…
Oh, nevermind, I read it wrong at first.
I really don’t concern myself with what other players do in their delves.
If someone like me wants to spend an hour typing in chat it will never have any effect or affect on another players delve.
A timer isn’t going to add any more fun to them.
You have timers for your m+ isn’t that good enough?
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That’s a weird reply since delves don’t have much fantasy behind them. Also, M+ is a knob that gets turned. Delves are their own thing.
Seen someone suggest delve equivalent of BRD for classic.
They should 100% do this.
Now people want delves to turn into flex-sized M+… How lovely
Please don’t associate this mindset with most of us. The vast majority of people talking about M+ in these threads seem happy delves provide an alternative for players who don’t want to run M+.
For someone that implied you want/like story/fantasy you didn’t seem to pay attention to the delves story. Each delve has one.