nope they wouldnt
Itâs ok bud the nerf to decree isnât why youâve been challenger all your life
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Well considering I started in shadowlands and in season 1 made it to 1800 and in season 2 made it to 22. but ok.
blizzard really trolled everyone when they pumped like 1000 fake mmr into unchained ladder
itâs always funny seeing 1600-1600-1600-1600-2700-1600-1600-1600
but itâs sad that the people that donât understand enough about the game view it like they made a really solid amount of progress because of it and are confused why they came back down the seasons following
prob more frustrating than never making the progress in the first place
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except its my first time ever playing? and season 2 was the first attempt at actually pushing besides transmogs and learning classes?
lawbringer is doing less then 5% dmg because vers and passive dmg reduction from talents hit a dk with 450k for 15k
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It isâŚ
I wasnât a doomsayer prior to yesterday, and Iâll still give it a shot.
The damage nurf to sustain feels pretty bad. Ret overall damage is at least 20% lower, 25%+ is not a remote estimate.
If you want to make the case our overall damage should have been cut by at least 20%⌠make the case.
Saying it didnât happen just isnât true.
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What am I missing? What isnât true? One ability was nerfed by 33%. Saying there was an overall damage nerf of 25-30% is hyperbole.
Final Verdict (20%) and Decree (33%) were the big ones. The 2% to Lawbringer and the 5% to the two set⌠How is that coming close to 25% of their overall? Given they also got some buffs as well, that makes no sense.
More than any spec⌠as SV, I get the value of damage inside of burst windows. That was the biggest hit, but the math doesnât add up that their actual overall was 25% less.
itâs not necessarily your fault if you donât notice youâre dunking on a 6 foot hoop but you should probably learn to set better expectations. and read better
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Straw man argument. They nerfed lots of stuff beyond any 200k hits including sustained damage. So your comment doesnât justify 80% of the nerfs at all.
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So you canât really tell if a nerf iso over the top till the whole season is ruined for a large number of people? Why didnât they wait to the end of the season to nerf Ret burst then? Oh yeah because people cried too much. If you cry about the noob stomper you are either a noob or a troll.
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Like how you guys state it like this to make it seem more impactful, It went from 10% to 5% of your max hp, 38k~ to 19k~. You lost 19k damage, game broken.
You guys still have 100k globals, Iâve seen 100k judges, 100k tvs, just under 100k final reckonings, you have the damage to kill, stop sending it into air and actually cover.
Yes itâs less powerful than it was before patch, it should be.
Also dont forget everyone lost some main stat which is going to impact your damage.
anyone else seeing male human ret reply to itself
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Man you people are almost insufferable in your responses.
You didnât take a 30% damage hit in your overall damage. If you donât think thatâs hyperbole, then you clearly have a problem accepting the fact Ret was broken.
Ret went from B tier to D. Literally unplayable in 3s and SS.
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lol. lmao!
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Rets: We would like better mobility.
Blizzard: We will give you this asinine amount of burst.
Rets: We donât want asinine amount of burst.
Blizzard gives an asinine amount of burst to Rets.
Playerbase loses their minds
Blizzard: Ugh Rets are too powerful, we are going to take away their burst but increase their sustained damage to compensate.
Blizzard removes burst and sustained damage
Rets: WTH? Can we at least get some mobility?
Blizzard: Shut up wheelchair boy we already gave you burst.
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I mean you canât just dismiss season? like I donât know a single other game moba, shooter, outside of wow that says oh youâve only been playing 2 years so your opinion doesnât matter cuz Iâve been playing since classic.
Lawbringer got cut to 5% instead of 8%.
Assuming 2 targets hit for each judgement
3.6K+ DPS loss, thatâs if you take it. Probably will shift away from lawbringer, if so that is a 7.2K dps loss.
Radiant Decree wasnât just for burst it did more damage than a normal finisher outside of burst windows. Even factoring in the buffs to FV (~500 dps baseline damage) the difference is 1.6k DPS not factoring in procs or crits. Iâd also point out that JV was hitting harder than FV prior to the buff. The 10% buff to a finisher really translates into a 6-7% buff, real increase in baseline finisher DPS is actually closer to 350 dps while losing a ~20k heal, 1/10 of what we lost in lawbringer if we keep it. Not sure this is much of a buff⌠Lawbringer was almost a baseline finisher crit on two targets.
Cleave into 2 melee Radiant was 45k+ into 2 targets (99K damage with 1 judge up) about 6.6k DPS outside of CDs, baseline damage no crits, a TV is 26k on one target with judge. Either way itâs thousands of DPS difference dropping it or keeping it.
We are already sitting at ~6k-10k DPS loss in sustain factoring in these two changes regardless of whether we change builds or not. Changing from lawbringer or radiant to different talents will not add in that kind of damage. We would have been running them already.
10K sustain DPS between 1-2 minute CDs minus what ever we can scrape from builds/talents.
On top of Wings procs cut in half (50%) this is significant as well. Along with the 2 set nurf although minor. A Ret paladin doing a PvE rotation on the PvP dummy decently geared is 22-24K dps sustained without using CDs. A 20% nurf would be less than 5K dps nurf to sustain, we are way north of that⌠20% damage loss between CDs for sure, 25%+ is well within reason.
Look, add lawbringer into that PvE rotation thatâs 31k. Remove it and youâre dropping from ~31K to ~24k tops thatâs 22%+, keep it with nurf thatâs 11%+. No Lawbringer wasnât 20% of our damage but outside of CDs it it was.
Add in the 1.6K+ dps from the old RD, or 5K+ dps into melee cleaves not factoring in crits or procs your going from 33K-36K down to 24k. We are getting into 23%+ territory keeping lawbringer single target, and 34% less damage dropping it into double melee outside of CDs. Not factoring in the fewer wings procs or two set nurf. No way itâs less than a 20% nurf to our sustain damage, not a chance.
The offsetting buffs did not give us a build to add 12K+ DPS to our sustain without Radiant or Lawbringer. Keeping the same build is still a 20%+ loss in sustain due to the RD nurf, the wings proc nurf, the set nurf and the lawbringer nurf.
Our sustain is way lower, into melee cleaves itâs been hit even harder.
I wasnât expecting it to be this bad TBH.
I was wrong.
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The folks who say â230k decree is fine just runâ are as moronic as some of the âhigh ratedâ folks who made fun of me when I made posts about prepatch talents stating that the spec needs actual abilities otherwise, if restricted to this Legion garbo toolkit, itâll always be a 1shot gimmick and there you go, 230k aoe.
As long as the spec remains like this and gets no updates like basically every other spec I hope more 1shot gimmicks rise to ruin more seasons lol.