see the fireworks show that is ret. cc and run? or defensive cc and run. but now just sit and eat the dmg cuz ret has none. lmao.
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I thought it would be bad, but itâs worse than I thought lol.
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Yeah⌠not sure what the logic was behind the changes. They even nerfed Lawbringer more than they said they were going to.
Burst might have been high but it was literally all Ret had and they did nothing to help survivablity, mobility or sustained in any real way.
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You canât really listen to streamers theyâre all biased for the most part. A certain warrior streamer basically saying they wanted arms to have every thing. â I just want arms to do damage, be tanky, self sustain and have great utilityâ. Like bruh what? You canât have it all. Such a fried statement itâs like well hell do you want heals to cast too while weâre at it??
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Listen.
I feel for ret. I really do.
But itâs been the SAME exact thing every expansion for a decade. Ret is good for a month during season 1, then they get nerfed into the ground.
Itâs like clockwork. Yâall are masochists tbh. Enhance shams are masochists too.
Blizzard loves the following classes and will make sure theyâre on top for PvP
Warriors (arms)
Rogues (depends , sub or Assass)
Druids (resto)
Priests (disc)
Warlocks (they always have one good one)
Just how I feel looking at the history of the game. Can maybe throw in mage but mage is usually good cuz they pair well with rogues.
DK
Shaman
Paladin
Hunter
Demon Hunter
Monk
if you pick any of those you gambling
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Wasnât ret A/S tier the entirety of shadowlands
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Yeah they literally sht on ret bad lolâŚ
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I tried my best to make consecration work lol itâs still so garbage.
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Vanguards isnât some bias guy tho heâs right and a multi glad , he also was one of the ones that advocated for decree nerfs. Ret is literal dog poo rn it almost feels unplayable, and the play style itself just sucks and so does the tree.
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Thatâs fair we all have our bias.
I watched the stream. His overall damage output is down a significant amount, he said 20% prior to the patch, looked like more than that to me⌠Radiant Decree wasnât just for the one shot it did more damage than a normal spender and gave us more damage throughout.
Struggling to get wins against teams rated 500 lower than what he was.
Itâs a pretty big nurf overall not just to burst damage.
He was playing Ret Warrior probably the best case for Ret and tanked 300 ratingâŚ
I didnât think it was going to be this bad, I was much more hopeful. After playing some solo I can say the overall/sustain damage output is way lower even into melee.
This was my cope, gone now.
Ret damage has to be at least 20% lower. Wouldnât surprise me if itâs 25%+. Thatâs way to big of a nurf to overall/sustain damage outside of our 1-2 minute burst windows.
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Okay you got me there ⌠but Shadowlands gave these rets a false sense of security ⌠they forgot the drill 
I think Mistweaver was good for one expansion too and then they had to get used to being B tiered forever. I canât remember the expansion but I remember them being super good for a couple seasons.
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I am never wrong! thank god!
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They donât really know what to do with ret and enh. The issue with these classes is that theyâre old, hybrid and melee. WWs can jump, tp, roll all over the place to avoid dying in a game where damage has gone through the roof. Rets are walking, enhs are walking, theyâre both supposed to do sustain damage but they donât have the tools to get to their targets and so they just run from pillar to pillar to delay dying. The only thing that seems to work is giving them a one shot that eventually gets nerfed and their reality surface: their design is outdated and out of meta. If you want the spec to deal sustain dps, then give them mobility/tankiness, both ret and enh are very squishy and can barely move compared to a thousand rolls, charges and blinks. The excuse from blizzard seems to be the utility that they have, but in this damage! meta, theyâre the most useless, because a bop or a grounding are no match for insane either burst or sustain damage.
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Yea that whole left side of the tree is completely useless
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The false sense of security was that blue post we got xD and fake buffs.
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we all knew this was what the result would be. When you take the âcannonâ out of glass cannon, you just have something that breaks easily
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this was the entire intent of the nerf crying. 99.9999999% of the time, people crying nerf want a spec dumpstered because their ego cant handle losing to something clean, so they have to claim its OP and demand it get destroyed to the point they can be ignored or casually slapped aside and then openly mocked.
Case in point.
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Sorry you guys canât one shot stuff anymore. 
Now it takes two globals.
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Not the issue here at all if you read the thread youâd see that. And if youâre going to troll and not actually provide anything insightful see ur way out. No one cares they removed double tapp go cope else where .
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Itâs a joke, obviously. I donât play MM. Double Tap was an awful crutch for a terrible spec and needed to be removed or changed.
Iâm so very sorry ret canât do this anymore. Truly my sincerest apologies.
Ret was beyond broken. If you have seen ANY of my posts about it though, I obviously want ret to be in a good spot because I really enjoy PHP. I hate to see any spec get nerfed to harshly, but everyone saw this coming.
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Am I the only one getting whiplash over here? Iâm all for frequent tuning but these crazy 35% gutting this class overly buffing the other class. WHAT IS GOING ON!?
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