This is bull s*it now we have to be grouped with pvers when season 2 set was best for pvp.
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The problem is that they tune us around the tier set bonuses. All the nerfs in 10.2 to Holy Word Salv, Divine Image, etc. were for the 4-piece.
So if you don’t take the S3 4-piece you’re pretty much sol.
Blizzard wants to ignore the pvp community and not take us into account when making this decision so i’ll ruin it for everyone. Just swap characters on the blizzard form and vote as many times as you have alts. Enjoy!
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Isn’t it likely we will be returning to the S1/2 DF dungeons for the fated season? I can’t believe you want to go back to the S2 bonus. Echoing what others have mentioned: It was good in raid but terrible in M+. Plus, haven’t you moved on to playing disc? Some of us are still keeping the holy fire lit.
The Season 3 bonuses are progress and I think the free holy words should get baked into our spec tree. Ditching them in favor of the Season 2 bonuses would signal to the devs we like the PoM play-style – which we don’t. Season 2 was terrible design with no agency and all the bloated talents to support PoM are taking up too much space in the spec tree already. I can think of a few spots where the Season 2 bonuses really shined and that was usually rot damage fights like the 3rd boss in Halls of Atonement. But when it came to single target healing intensive fights like all of the bosses in Legacy of Tyr or 1st boss in Brackenhide, we were left outside naked and wet. Season 3 is a step in the right direction. We just need more buffs so we’re not at the bottom in raid and M+.
You’re mistaking my dislike of the S3 4-piece over what was taken away from Holy to actually give us that tier set. We’re 7th place and about 8-10% behind Disc in overall hps on Mythic because of the nerfs Holy received in 10.2 to accommodate the new tier set. And that’s after 2 rounds of hps buffs it was closer to 20% hps difference before.
This has led to a stark decline on Holy Priests actually raiding high end Mythic. There’s literally 15 Holy Priest logs on Mythic Tindrall over the last 2 weeks compared to 284 Disc. That’s because our hps sucks and they nerfed Symbol of Hope.
We should be telling Blizzard that its entirely unacceptable to nerf Holy like they did to accommodate for a tier set bonus that wasn’t even as strong as they expected. They could have given us anything else.
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Season 3 set is really good in PvP though.
Hello Caithyra I hope you are having a great season. I remember that you are very good in Holy Priest, maybe you are even better at Discipline I cannot judge these things, but I wonder if you will play Holy Priest this patch for M+? Also, which holy tier set are you recommending for an entire M+ holy priest, this second season was fun for me as it was a lot of “passive” healing, is that the one?
Also, do you optimize answered prayers in some way? I have been just seeing when it comes up and then doing a few extra flash heals to get more serenity charges back if not 2. I am not sure if this is how top players do that. Do you instead prefer to do smites and get back the chastise for strong divine images instead of unnecesary flash heals? And at some point should I start going for Augmentation evoker in the M+ groups? When do you start inviting augmentation, 26 level?
Power aside S3 FEELS the best and changes how you play. The other tier sets suck. S3 all they way. Its so good i wish it was part of our kit like flash concentration should be!
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I’m not going to be playing Holy much this season in M+ (I raid Holy though) because I’m basically logging on and pushing 27s+ on Disc, which I’m more comfortable with atm.
The S3 tier set bonus is the most powerful one for M+ though, but that’s because the dungeons and bosses are designed differently. A lot of the bosses in the S3 dungeons only do damage every 20-30s so having extra Holy Words lets you quickly catch up.
It’s different from last season where you had bosses with constant group damage that allowed your PoM to bounce around. There was several bosses where I could get 2-3 Answered Prayers procs on-top of 2 Apotheosis. PoM was also my #1 heal in dungeons.
It depends. If I’m out of Holy Word Serenity’s then I cast Flash Heals to reset it. If things are chill then I just cast dps spells and reset Chastise a few times.
You can basically keep resetting your Holy Words to full because once you expend them, you can activate Apotheosis to reset them, and then Answered Prayers comes up.
Aug Evokers aren’t 100% necessary to time keys and they can be hindrance in ToTT and WCM because they’re half a dps when you’re trying to kill roots and totems. They’re just nice to have because of Zephyr and Chrono Ward, but you can bring a Mage for Mass Barrier.
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I appreciate your contributions to the priest forums. I’m not a mythic raider so I’m not going to pretend I understand all those challenges. But what are you talking about? Where does this data come from? It does not seem you would be referencing your subjective opinion. I checked raider IO and see that a majority of the first Mythic Fyrakk kills included a holy priest. Of the most recent dozen or so Mythic Fyrakk kills a holy priest was included there as well. Of the kills I looked at it was rare to see only a holy priest. There was a usually a discipline priest present as well.
I am not a stats person but I see a holy priest in the majority of the first kills and in a majority of the most recent kills. If the holy priest was so far behind the others why are there so many in the Hall of Fame?
It seems in your analysis you are jumping to a negative conclusion because there are many guilds stuck on Tindrall. I am looking at guilds that made it across the finish line. Maybe you are not considering the other potential factors?
P.S. I have missed your posts about Holy since you jumped ship.
I still raid as Holy: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/bleeding-hollow/caithyra
It’s also easier to get parses this season because there’s less competition. =P
The reason I went Disc for M+ this season has more to do with how much they nerfed Holy coming into 10.2 and how much more dumbed down/easier Disc was to play for keys. Also, I get infinite mana on Disc, and on Holy I have to run a Seventh Spine trinket just to not OOM. As soon as they nerf Disc and/or buff Holy I’ll be back playing it for keys.
Also, with how close the S2 + S3 vote is… I’m pretty sure I’m not the only Holy Priest who felt that we got done dirty in 10.2.
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Thank you for your reply. I am wondering how much percentage of a buff you think is appropriate for the holy priest? And what specifically needs buffing, is it the AOE (area of effect/multi-target) healing? What I would like is for sanctify to spread like the luminous barrier does on discipline. That would make it much more fun for me in M+ healing as I could hit everyone with my spender AOE heal, even when the ranged dps decide to stand far away from the tank and melee dps.
I have also noticed the mana is harder to manage on holy. Like many other holy priests, I don’t even bind heal because flash heal is how fast I need the healing to be nowadays. What if the flash heal mana cost was reduced to 4000 or so? Would that make a difference for you to play it?
I do like the season two set, but I agree that season 3 feels amazing. More holy words is always more fun and is something I want to be part of our talent tree in the next xpac.
The nerfs to accommodate it feel awful and unjustified for the most part.
Either way, they made it sound like they’ll be tuning them differently so who knows how they’ll be in the end.
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Not Caithyra but I have thoughts:
- I think Holy Word: Sanctify is fine at its current size: it works well with Divine Word and the PvP interrupt thing I’m forgetting the name of
- Problem is Prayer of Healing and Circle of Healing suck in M+ such that many Priests don’t take these (I do but I’m not optimal and I like buttons): give them the Atonement treatment and buff them in dungeons
- Miracle Worker should be as accessible as Protector of the Frail (2 charges of Pain Suppression)
That’s without getting into more interesting stuff like addressing issues with externals (Ray of Hope). Having Restitution accessible without completely sacrificing throughput helps with some issues of mobility and low defensives.
Some priests may not want to use PoH but I don’t want to play whack-a-mole in Ruby Life Pools. But for that there’d still be Lightweaver for those that like it.
Side-snipes:
- Replace a PoM talent with Lightwell
- Replace Epiphany with Divine Insight
Yes we got done dirty
What makes you think they will fix anything if you get s2? You honestly believe all those issues are just going to magically go away?
Because any adjustments for s2 winning, could just as easily be applied to fix the spec with s3 in mind.
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I don’t really care if we get the S2 or S3 bonus as long as they fix the current issues of our under performance which is a short-term issue. Long-term the developers need to put more forethought into tier sets for Holy.
If a tier set involves needing to nerf our healing by -10% or more just to accommodate it: they should give us something else instead. This same issue happened in the DF beta where they nerfed Holy’s healing by -15% and made Empyreal Blaze a 60s cd instead of 30s. We had to wait until 10.0.5 came (and a whole heap of hotfixes prior) that reverted all the nerfs and put us in the net positive.
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S3 bonus is just too good for mobile healing. If it’s anything but S3 I’m switching mains (again).
An extra 1 Holy Word every 20s doesn’t make Holy all of a sudden mobile. You can play a mobile playstyle by hardcasting Renew w/ Empowered Renew or Rapid Recovery for raid. Rapid Recovery works best because it scales with the 2-piece Renews and your Holy Words keep extending your Renews.
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It absolutely does if you play to that as a strength i.e. LW build and use holy words for mobile healing. Instead of thinking of it as 1 holy word every 20 seconds, think of it as being able to cast 3 serenities in a row when needed.
dw you didn’t miss anything but tons of PoMs kek 