Holy Pally Still DPS' like a wet noodle after TWW prepatch

I have to switch to prot spec or it takes 3-4x longer to do any open world content.

I don’t understand holy pally’s dps tuning. We are soo behind DPS wise in PVP too.

Oh yeah, then if I switch to prot and que arena’s as holy, sometimes my tmog bugs out. Haha, tiny complaint but just fix the DPS for holy pally and I’ll ignore this glitch. LOL

I believe all healers are doing a lot lower than other specs

It’s so annoying. I’m not saying healers need to spend more GCDs casting, but id love it to be more useful when I do. I do less DMG than before the prepatch

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Haven’t played the beta in multiple characters since the hpal rework. But back then Both MW and Prevoker were doing easily x2,x3 the damage of Herald Hpal.

Even if healer dps is not really that meaningful anymore, the dps tuning of healers was all over the place.

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Oh man glad to know it was prepatch that changed the numbers, I’m still in the process of leveling a hpal and open world content turned very painful, guessing I’m sticking to dungeons and BG’s…

According to sites like u.gg, average DPS of Hpal is still 33%ish behind. Even with LS in Beta, this doesn’t become much better.

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Prevoker is still doing at least 2x HPal dps at 80, tuning is still definitely all over the place.

More damage is required for hpal, it’s really bad rn.

Light of dawn could become a dps ability since its so bad healing and no one uses it anyway.

A new dps spell who requires a two-handed to be used, could be Templar’s Verdict or something new who looks cool and fits the holy paladin theme.

And make denounce a baseline ability, there’s no reason for it to be a pvp talent.

And buff holy shock damage at least 15%.

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Buff it by 100% , it’s a GCD sacrificed for and, as well as a healing cd

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Continuing the discussion from The War Within Beta Development Notes:

Upcoming beta patch notes, I pruned all non-dps-related changes. I don’t know how these changes compare to other current healers, but numbers-wise there are some very significant flat damage buffs, with the tradeoff being fading light/seal of order buffing much less.

  • Shield of the Righteous damage increased by 25%. It menas denounce is also buffed or nah? Since blessing of dawn got a huge nerf if denounce remains unbuffed (considering buffing SotR does not increase denounce damage) it will become pretty weak.

I’m a huge fan of moving power away from passives.

However, I’m wary of the DPS increases. Without any further tuning, Avenging Crusader will be meta for both Herald and Lightsmith.

AC is clunky as hell and goes against all the design elements of the spec so far (holy shock and spenders). It doesn’t interact with our tier set either.

We’re in a very unique position where buffs to DPS is an indirect buff to AC and it needs to be turned accordingly.

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Yeah bro, i was waiting for some holy shock damage buffs and maybe make denounce baseline or a non-pvp talent. The veneration buff was nice tho, but the blessing of dawn nerf was a bit too much

Well yeah but that’s just a matter of tunning Avenging Crusader’s numbers, once damage is where they want it to be then it should be pretty simple to just change a couple of coeffients there.

That said I’m not sure if those buffs are enough to make AC meta, seem like pretty signifficant buffs but AC was pretty weak to and not worth taking not even as Lightsmith, so idk maybe, in any case it would still be just a matter of tunning AC itself.

They need to change consecration for holy pally. Either remove it or make it larger and provide some healing.

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Would love Consecration to be passive with a talent or something (for example, removed breaking dawn).

Passive Jade wind rush and healing rain for MW and Rshammy worked great so far. Well, at least there’s also the Righteous Judgement buff.

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It can provide some healing over time if talented (usually need a raid group with low to moderate movement to take advantage of it)

Edit: I like them increasing the chance to drop a consecration from 30% to 50% when judging with the talent. Having double consecrations up is significant

Sad but true

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Over 24wipes on mythic sark, LoD only did 6% of my healing, it’s such a worthless aoe healing ability, and Im not convinced buffing it is right, it’s just such a bad spell

But I want a more affective replacement, or AOE is falling short

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Yeah maybe rework the old holy radiance as a spender.