But if they are infused with it, that is why VE wouldnât be able to be Paladin? And why they have priest?
And if Paladin is so intricately associated with the Light, then they wouldnât be able to help the fact the Sunwell connection is strong with them, thus playing on a BE theme potentially and if Blizzard wanted to downplay their Sunwell connection, they could do so but maybe it would be harder to do for the Paladin class specifically is what I see.
And Druid and Shaman open up a new narrative more unique to the Highvale associated Elves, and goes the extra mile to remove itself, or play up that part, while downplaying the Sunwell.
Thats just my take, so if I had to vote I think Druid and Shaman get my vote for playable classes over Paladin.
Well I donât think they need to be entirely divorced as far as themes go. There will be some cross over. The arcane is an important aspect in belf culture, but there should still be high elven mages even if more of a nature theme is explored/developed.
Also void elves have priest because they are shadow priest the race. Blizz just doesnât remove specs from a race, even if they make no sense.
Thereâs literally no reason they have to even mention the Sunwell with High Elf Paladins.
Thereâs no reason to even think the Sunwell would even have an affect on them anymore then other High Elves since they donât even need to use it for their Light.
Why would they need the Sunwell when they have a direct source and their faith is based around maintaining that direct source?
Except currently those arenât things and there is no sign those will ever be things.
So saying removing Paladins, something far more established, for something thatâs not seems completely unnecessary.
And given that they are the same type of Paladin as Humans/Dwarves that already moves them away from Blood Elves because they are practicing the faith of the ones they live with.
We donât know how well Druid or Shaman would work for differentiating them other then they are a different class selection when we donât even know the context for how they would get them.
I think it would be more helpful is thinking how to work with the themes we have and adding to that rather then trying to sacrifice some of what we have for something we might not get.
This is from someone who would love Shaman and/or Druid to be a thing.
Well I donât like the cross over themes, because people seem to paint dramatic ideas of sharing Quelâthalas or giving them the island of Quelâdanas, or just random things that wouldnât have bearing if Blizzard emphasizes a break from Quelâthalas which it would do in emphasizing the Highvale narratives.
Not asking for every class, actively stating my opinion on which 2 I would prefer. Shaman kinda makes sense due to proximity to the Wildhammers.
Paladin due to their long time relationship with humans.
Druid? Not really there.
As for Zandalari Warlocks, I think the idea is that they were either a splinter group or were retconned.
If the latter â well then I disapprove as I donât like retcons.
If the former â then the decision makes sense.
Back to High Elf Paladins â they arenât a splinter group that only belonged to Blood Knights. There are high elf paladins in the Silver Covenant.
So removing them from selection is tantamount to a retconâŚwhich I disapprove of.
Yeah, itâs not always about connection to the Sunwell or vapming from Naaru (blood knights donât do that anymore, I know, but they used to).
There are some that still have a connection to the Light.
Liadrin lost her faith, that caused the lack of connection for a while.
Iâd love helf shaman and druids, but I do know helf paladins are wanted by people as well, and as my main will be a hunter regardless, I wouldnât be mad if I had to sacrifice druid or shaman so people could play their pallies.
I also donât think it would be a big deal to have all three since as others pointed out itâs not likely at all that helves would get DH or warlocks.
Also I donât think stuff has to be forced to be completely devoid of overlap between helves and belves just because some people might ask for horde territory to become alliance.
There is because High Elves like Blood Elves are connected to the Sunwell. Itâs not something one just turns off considering itâs said to transcend space and time. Being a font of Holy Energy it would affect them the say way as a Blood Elf Paladin would since both use Holy Energy. Doesnât matter if High Elves pray in a church, The Sunwell is still affecting them with Holy Energy.
Also the Highvale seem to be strong Light worshipers so they would be highly likely to have Paladins.
Highvale simply lose Mages and Warlocks.
They have a higher chance of being Shaman thanks to their relationship with the Wildhammer and a very slight chance of being Druids do to being more naturalist and being near a Dream Portal.
The only path for Shaman would be the Silver Covenant using the Staff of Antonidas thatâs charged with the power of the Thunder King/Ra-den.
Or in Aratorâs case, heâs Turalyonâs son, and Turalyon has had the gold eye thing going for a while now.
Agreed.
Exactly.
Thatâs why Paladins, which are already established, are a go to.
Now Shamans, due to connection with the Wildhammers, DO open up that NEW possibility for new stories. We already have a strong connection between some Alliance High Elves and the Wildhammers.
But with the Night Elves? (Who are the druids)
We have minimal. It would be a MUCH bigger stretch to allow druids than ShamansâŚand if it comes at the expense of something already present, then thatâs a no go.
Having Paladins on High Elves does NOT step on the Blood Elf storyline, as the Blood Knights took a VERY different path.
The High Elf Pallies have far more in line with the original order of the Silver Hand and the chapters in Stormwind and Ironforge than the Blood Knights.
While I do want to see High Elf storyline evolutionâŚthat doesnât have to come at the expense of iconic classes that they haveâŚsuch as Paladins.
I think itâs better to keep it apart, because people are too heavy handed with infringing on BE story. And many not respectful of it to begin with.
And if the stance is always emphasizing their differences to push them to being playable. What is wrong then with emphasizing their differences in the event they become playable.
They have some connections though, thereâs no getting around that, and it doesnât have to be seen as taking anything from blood elves, especially since belves will still have their pallies.
One of the reasons people want them is the explore the different paths they took, but that doesnât mean they canât share classes. That would leave high elves with almost nothing.
Also it wouldnât be playing down the connection. If the sunwell goes poof, they would still be priests and paladins, because they were before. Only ones who lost faith wouldnât be unless they found another naaru.
Their access to the Light isnât solely through the Sunwell. Itâs through Faith as well.
Neither has to be played down or up. The main difference is the journey the two separate orders took post splitting of their people. And those journeys donât step on each other (beyond when their people in general came into conflictâŚbut that is beyond the scope of the individual orders).
We would still have playable HEs just not HE Paladins. As I think Paladins would have the strongest connection to the Sunwell, them and any HE pilgrims to the Sunwell to routinely visit it, but that is what it is I guess.
I would think Paladins out of all potential classes would have the strongest connection to the Sunwell. And thatâs a narrative they should move away from when playable.
Paladins do not necessarily have to have such a strong connection to the Sunwell that it defines them in such a manner.
Your angle is playing up the connection to the Sunwell more than what is actually present in the lore, even for Blood Elf Paladins.
After the restoration of the SunwellâŚthe Blood Knights stopped vamping on Naaru not just because theyâre revitalized with magic. It was also a sign that revitalized their faith.
Prior to thatâŚthey accessed the light by vamping on a NaaruâŚby stealing itâŚrather than through their faith.
Afterwards, their faith restored, they could access it again. The Sunwell in that regard was a symbol to them, but not the sole or primary source of their power.
Just pointing out that the Paladin story for High Elves does not step on the toes of the Blood Elf Blood Knight storyline or that of the Blood Elves at all.
Therefore, they should be playable for High Elves. I would NOT accept sacrificing Paladin to access Druid OR Shaman.
I would accept if either Druid or Shaman were added (and understand if only 1 can be added â my opinion on that front is simply Shaman makes most sense as High Elves have had more in contact with the WIldhammers than Night Elves), but I would not accept it in place of Paladin.
That would be a slap in the face to High Elf lore as well. And doing so at the expense of new stories immediately TARNISHES those new stories before theyâre even written.
Iâm not saying High Elves shouldnât be Paladins like Lann is Because I do think they should be, Iâm just saying the Sunwell is more significant to them than you are giving it credit for whatever reason.