You keep missing the point and nitpicking. I pointed out several times how I am talking about the leadership, not our characters -who are just cogs-
shrug I just know that the people I knew who were the most gleeful about Fandral becoming a raid boss are rabidly alliance.
You keep missing the point of how do you punish the horde and itâs leaders without it impacting the players. Would you be happy if they got a slap on the wrist in the book, and things went back to normal by the start of the expansion timeline?
Tyrande has no idea how to lead our people. I have vision that she lacksâŠ
Which is why I think if they wanted this storyline they should have done it without reversing course back to noble Horde, and shaming the players while doing it. Otherwise they shouldnât have let it go so far.
oh he was irritating.
tyrande has no idea how to lead our people!
he would yell at you when you would get a quest from him. first time he did it, i was like. ⊠whoa, whoa. i just wanted to take your quest. lol
Come on dude:
My issues are the lack of Horde leadership self awareness -as I pointed out, such as Lorâthemar not making any connection with the Fall of Quelâthalas and Baine taking that long before acting- and the Alliance lack of desire for accountability.
Kay night yâall! missed talking and debating with you! 
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Yup, every so often i doubt my memories of it being a meme (although this may have been before memes were called that) in the alliance about how awful Fandrel was.
Like Magatha, he was a counter to the more forward Tyrande and Malf, reacting to their opening their society to joining with the alliance and allowing Tauren in the CC. He was the face of the traditional and xenophobic side of the night elves. And I dunno, it may have been a bit of a waste in cata for at least Tauren and Night Elves to lose those interior antagonists.
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I was not aware that such correlation was being used to shame people who likes a character, in which case thatâs as petty as it can get, not to mention incredibly tone deaf.
However, the rest, itâs a whole can of worms and as someone who doesnât live in the US, I have my own opinion, thatâs all Iâll say.
Deliberate actions require intent, forethought requires intent, a goal in mind, so yes, it kind of does.
And she obviously failed, because Tyrande is out for revenge and so is every night elf.
You say this and thenâŠ
Say this.
Iâm getting a mixed message here.
Which is why I said that genocide is not what happened, because Iâm looking at it from the in-universe perspective. Horde doesnât have the resources to carry that out, and Horde soldiers saved many people as well.
Funny how you like to minimize it as the Forsaken simply being displaced. If you do know their history, you should know that for the Forsaken, to lose Lordaeron should mean a lot more than just âbeing displacedâ, not to mention that they did that before being abandoned by Sylvanas as well.
Iâm not, specially since Calia is in the picture and Voss was a mistake.
I donât like night elves, I never did, yet I can see that what they did to them in BFA was wrong. Thereâs no way around it.
However, to add strong words that simply donât apply, wonât be of much help.
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A thousand or so years before the [First War], Fandral would come to know personal loss on a scale most of his people had not experienced since the Sundering. It began in [Silithus], the furthest southern extent of the night elvesâ territory at that time.
For thousands of years, the [qiraji] had to rebuild their forces in the name of their dread god [CâThun]. It fell to the night elves to give battle, and it fell to Fandral to lead the kaldorei against the qiraji. With his son [Valstann] at his side, Fandral proved an able and creative general.
Fandral proved an able and creative general. He was in fact so talented that the qiraji even gave him a name: Karâsis, or Hand of Earth in their native language. Try as they might, the qiraji could not beat him and the night elves under his command.
seems he was also an important general and hero of the kaldorei. iâm getting kaelâthas vibes from this.
Yeah people take it pretty far in those threads first the correlations start with Sylvanas then start making direct accusations of her fans and sit back and say theyâre not making personal attacks their making logical observations. But if youâre comparing people to awful deeds and people it is offensive because ones like of a wow character has no bearing elsewhere.
Thatâs why I generally rule of thumb donât abide by making correlations to real world events and using them to shame narratives going on in WoW it seems odd to me. But Iâm also used to SWTOR and the Empire is pretty unapologetically ruthless and again itâs just a fictional preference to play.
Blessed by the envoys of the gods.
Titan keepers blessed them as of chronicle.
Itâs different with the night elves. Their society is largely two groups: druids and Sentinels. Tyrande leads the sentinels (and mostly the people) while Malfurion lead the druids. Theyâve had this setup for 10000 years.
Fandral though a villain he was, was a leader⊠One that didnât get along with tyrande.
To try and get things back on trackâŠ
Hereâs my compilation of suggestions again.
I updated it based off the information today.
I only had to adjust 2 lines lol
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oh thank god. Iâm tired.
I know these are unlikely but Iâd enjoy them myself. shrug
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The Highvale have potential to have both of these.
And the Silver Covenant could always use the Thunder Staff of Antonidas to become something like a Shaman.
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iâve always wanted a belf druid, so a helf druid would be icing on the cake.
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i go back to firelands all the time even though i donât need any mog from it anymore so i can tbag him and then leave. 
Guys, Blizz has updated the High Elf skin from this:
To this:
Why would they add a blue underwear and change the color of their nails and jewelry?
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Well, I missed everything in real time. But can we all move on with our lives or are we going to drag this out a bit longer yet?
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